Gnome vs KDE take 10

russianpirate · Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:07 pm Post subject: Gnome vs KDE take 10

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[flame]stay with gnome.. kde sucks

kde's programs (arts, kontrol center, im messenger, audio player, and everything else except k3b) is worse than a GTK app (on gnome).. if ur gonna use most KDE apps, then swithch, but the desktop itself in KDE is worse than gentoo
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^^ all my opinion

sry for flame

sneakyme66 · n00b Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Posts: 43

explain more please, I'm interested why you think so?

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sneakyme66 · n00b Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Posts: 43

yeah, I've been seeing that buggy side lately. And the main reason I was looking to switch is because the apps that work best for me are the kde apps... i mean what can you say despite the few excelent gnome apps it has a long way to go still. I can't say that I haven't been happy with it in the past, it's taught me alot.

DrZoidberg · Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:19 am Post subject:

I used to swear by KDE from about 1999-2004, but KDE is just out of control in terms of bloat and junk. Konqueror has never been such a great browser for me. Nowhere close to mozilla/firefox. The panel/control center UI is just confusing and wierd. The multimedia stuff has always been in significantly broken in some way or other. (kaffeine video player crashes, konqueror's tag editor freezes, noatun skips, arts.....)

Up until the last few years, GNOME was just horrible-- it seemed to be a confusing, haphazard mess of software that just couldn't decide how to work together. Early mozilla was unusable. Enlightenment looked cool but never really fit in well with other apps. But nautilus really works well without being as heavy as konqueror. I switched to GNOME around 2.6, after getting annoyed with KDE 3.3.X.It seems like gnome is getting its $hit together and concentrating on making a useful desktop environment. KDE seems to be spinning out of control with a million frivolous applications, at the expense the basics: filemanger, easy UI configuration/customization, and a decent web browser. Granted, the gnome CD burning apps are still way behind k3b.
But you can use k3b w/o having to install too much of the KDE stuff.

I'm still using gnome 2.8, but can't you just right-click menus to edit them?

Epyon · l33t Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 754 Location: NJ, USA

I use konq as a web browser because its fast and has nice stuff like a built in spell checker. khtml is getting better all the time. There was news today about it passing the acid2 test. The control center has a lot of stuff in it but I don't really see that as a bad thing. I like being able to customize everything.

Ever since gnome 2.4, nautilus has never seemed right to me. Could have been the buggy mime type detection or, in later versions, the spatial stuff. I hate it how it warns me every time I double click a wmv file that it thinks is a incorrectly named asf file. That got annoying real fast. Konq loads fast for me and does what I tell it to.

In Gnome 2.10 they didn't have time to include the ability to edit the menu through a gui. No more right click menu or going to applications:// in nautilus.

sneakyme66 · n00b Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Posts: 43

sounds like for now, i may leave gnome just to see how i like kde first

superstoned · Guru Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 432

i agree KDE has an overload of options, but i like its flexibility. and they are working on the huge amount of buttons, kde 3.4 already removed 2 from konqueror, more to come.

there is not much speed difference between gnome and KDE now, they just feel different, but i think KDE 4 will change that dramatically. QT4 will be using much more hardware acceleration from X (part of which they are implementing themselves). but then again, that'll take some time (KDE 4 is said to be ready somewhere in the first half of next year).

but for me, ATM, KDE (SVN) already offers much more than gnome in terms of ease of use (alright, takes a bit more time to get used to, maybe, but there are many little things that make your live easier, which i miss in gnome), features and configurabillity.

so i'd say give it a try.

stkaplan · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Posts: 108

I have very little experience with GNOME, besides watching someone play around in a fresh Ubuntu install, but as a KDE user, I find that I've been slowly switching exclusively to KDE. I used to use KDE with a whole bunch of non-KDE programs like Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice, and XMMS, but I've switched to almost exclusively KDE. I'm now using Konqueror, Kontact, and Amarok, and I plan to play around with the new KOffice at some point. I'm still using Gaim over Kopete, though. The problems I saw, especially with Konqueror, mostly involve is heavy configurability. For example, I didn't know until a couple weeks ago that Konqueror had mouse gestures, because the option is hidden away in the Control Panel. However, as a shallow bastard, I love the Plastik theme and the Crystal icon set, and GNOME apps just look pretty dull. (Yes, there is the GTK-QT engine, but it doesn't work well with Java.) People keep talking about the bloat, but everything seems snappy and responsive on my computer.

So basically, I'd say you should try KDE for a while, but it takes a while to get into, since there are so many options you can play around with.

thechris · Veteran Joined: 12 Oct 2003 Posts: 1203

in short, i'd stick with KDE. its a DE that won't leave you stranded when some gnome dev decides EVERYONE would love to try his new "spatial nautilus" so much they wouldn't even bother looking for a way to revert. of course you could find said option in the app that was "for testing purposes only"... given that KDE can be configured to look like gnome (or XFCE) i'd use it.

kplayer. the mplayer of kde.
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superstoned · Guru Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 432

Red Nalie · Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:27 pm Post subject:

One word: Integration (in a good way)
One of the main reasons I'll never leave KDE.

Kioslaves, amaroK, Konqueror. It all fits right in, without anything being mandatory.
I 'love' KDE

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lovedaddy · n00b Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 58 Location: UK

I too loves KDE...

Apps integrate well together
Konquerer is alot better than most seem to give it credit for
Nice toolkit and dev stuff

But.... (things I hate)
QT seems to be such a waste of desktop real estate (I mean, can I really not reduce the width of the scroll bars?! etc)
No really good gimp style app
arTs - its evil

codergeek42 · Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:25 pm Post subject:

Hi all.

sneakyme66 just wanted to know how to effectively switch from GNOME to KDE (to try it out or to use it as his* primary DE or for whatever reason he may have had in mind). I don't think this was intended to be a GNOME/KDE discussion thread at all. If you prefer GNOME over KDE (like I do) then use GNOME and don't install KDE stuff. If you prefer KDE over GNOME (like others do) then use KDE and don't install GNOME stuff. It's rather simple. :wink:

Let's keep this thread on-topic please. ^_^

* I apologize if sneakyme66 is a lady. I'm just too lazy to write he/she, his/her, etc. all the time. :oops:

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frodoontop · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Posts: 86

Why choose? Every once in a while I like to switch desktops. Only problem is that my system really slows down if I have installed kde simultaniously with gnome, so I made different gentoo installs for them.

On boot I have the choice to Gentoo_KDE and Gentoo_GNOME. This way I can choose depending on what mood I'm in. Cause after all, I don't see the reason for all these flamewars. I like both desktops and their apps, however in different ways. I think it's a great strength of Linux, the power to display your desktop in very different ways.

To make it even more convenient to install gentoo twice, use the alternative install method to be found on www.gentoo.org/doc or something like that. Just use the Knoppix method which works perfectly within Gentoo too.

Kensai · Guru Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 569 Location: Puerto Rico

I have done the same once sneakyme66 and believe me KDE sucks. I though kde was better when I switched to it but all I have found in kde is bloat and junk I'm reinstalling again just to make a clean gnome gtk system again. BTW, QT interface sucks too is ugly. :wink:

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superstoned · Guru Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 432

Rapsey · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 87

Whats great about KDE apps is that they have alot of features, but what ruins it, is that all those features get in the way. I read that they started to work with usability professionals, I realy hope they get things fixed.
It just kills me to watch amarok. Such a great technology and such a horrible interface.

superstoned · Guru Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 432

rush_ad · Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:03 pm Post subject:

i've switched between these two DE about 10 times and can never decide waht to use. this is what i've come to

KDE pro:
looks decent right after installing.
splash screen is better looking
konqueror has better functionality than nautilus
menu editor

GNOME pro:
a little more stable.
gdm is beter than kdm
kde reminds me of windows

Kensai · Guru Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 569 Location: Puerto Rico

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