Gentoo Install Guide Hosed? [NEVERMIND-SOLVED]

xtaski · Last edited by xtaski on Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:18 am; edited 1 time in total

Has anyone relied on the install guide to do a stage1 lately? Heck even a stage3 probably won't work... Much of it needs some overhaul.... it's practically worthless now and is even more of a negative because it just doesn't work...

The bootstrap.sh portion is completely left out.... hmmm... it's tough to install without bootstrapping... no joke, it's not there

jmbsvicetto · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:09 pm Post subject:

Hi.

What guide are you following? Are you using the Gentoo Handbook? The 2005.0 Handbook is made for those wishing to do a networkless install, so it doesn't include the instructions to do a Stage1. Were you looking there?
The guides may not be perfect, but those who've made them did a wonderful job trying to prevent people from getting into troube. The single largest problem with installations that I've seen here in the forums, is that people have a hard-time following the guides - everyone just needs to do their own deviation. Those without enough experience, frequently find themselves in a tough corner.
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dgaffuri · Advocate Joined: 05 Jun 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Italy

Hi

just to say that the guides allowed me to install FIRST Gentoo (stage 3) in about 1 day and the second one (usermode, with bootstrapping) in 4 hours. A big thank to people maintaining them.

xtaski · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:12 am Post subject:

I do Gentoo full installs, stage 1 about once every couple months. I've never even done a stage3 so that's why I wasn't sure why the guide was skipping the bootstrap... This was my second time doing a 2005.0... but this time I decided to go back and follow the install guide which I haven't done for a while. I just wanted to see if there was anything new...

I guess if it's not for stage1 installs, then maybe I'm overreacting. Don't you have to bootstrap on a stage3 as well?? I thought they used to incorporate stage1 into it, but maybe they've dropped that entirely. That's a shame b/c I've always found stage1 to be very rewarding...

Just wasn't sure what happened to the guide... if the focus is only on stage3 now, then I guess that answers my question... but raises another - how can we expect people to become new Gentoo stage1'ers without any guide???

xtaski · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:15 am Post subject:

Maybe I'm following the wrong guide... This is what I was using:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2005.0/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=7

I noticed this one doesn't have the "Progressing from Stage1 to Stage2" ... stuff in it.

codergeek42 · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:17 am Post subject:

xtaski · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:18 am Post subject:

Gotcha, thanks... so much for using Google to find the right install guide!

jmbsvicetto · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:19 am Post subject:

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xtaski · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:46 am Post subject:

I've heard of the 1/3 install, but never really understood what it was... Can you give me the quick summary of why you found it more rewarding? I'm going to guess it requires building the stuff I usually drop in when I unpack the stage1 tarball??

xtaski · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:51 am Post subject:

Found the latest 1/3... What did you like most about going this route?

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-345229-highlight-bob+p.html

jmbsvicetto · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:54 am Post subject:

I think that it's more rewarding, because you start with a clean system, thus avoiding most causes for Stage1 troubles, and get to rebuild the system with the same configurability a Stage1 offers and are thus capable of ripping the same benefits.
So basically, it gives you the same advantages, but at a lower cost. The end result is the same, but the road there has less bumps - at least that's my opinion.
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xtaski · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:06 am Post subject:

Fair enough, I've never really had stage1 problems (would like to do it cleanly though..). I've helped out a few friends who've run into problems... Maybe I'll try that out next time. I'd probably find it a bit more rewarding to try an install building everything with gcc 4.0.1

although I can already imagine the volume of hacks I'll have to put together to get it up...

jmbsvicetto · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:17 am Post subject:

If you plan on playing with GCC 4.0 anytime soon, then you not only should be running the testing branch, which I do, but must update the systems almost daily and perhaps have contemplated on the virtues of a cron job to do emerge -uDp world! :lol:

I hope that you never planned on using the last part, tough.
If you do follow that road, let me know what bumps to avoid and what tricks you've learned. :wink:

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xtaski · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:40 am Post subject:

Yeah I'll let you know... I need to have a system that I can steadily work at over a few weeks...