World Of Warcraft Howto/Support UPDATED 6/15/05!

BonezTheGoon · Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:12 am Post subject:

Has anyone submitted a bug to the winehq dev team yet? If so please post a link to it for others to follow. I tried searching on their site and also tried searching their site with Google and didn't get results I consider conclusive. I have little experience with their site though.

Any further ideas on this?

Regards,
BonezTheGoon
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discomfitor · l33t Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 927 Location: None

All right, I did some work. Posted to wine-devel to stir something up there (again), and posted this bug. Should be fixed soon (Last time I went to such extreme measures it was fixed in something ridiculous like eight hours...), so sit tight and prepare to be WoWed.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

EDIT: On the plus side, I just updated my CVS build, and it appears to be noticeably smoother. Aside from the fact that I can't click stuff.

Also, congratulations on 1337 posts, Bonez!
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ConVicTioN · Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 5:16 am Post subject:

Heheh guess I will update then stupid mouse

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darkangael · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 04 Jul 2003 Posts: 132

Just to save some people some time, the following don't fix the problem (at least for me):
* Updating to the latest WINE in the portage tree
* Re-compiling WINE using the default xorg headers then switching back to nvidia/ati
* Trying to use native versions of the dinput dll files

Of course YMMV so feel free to try. I was bored so I tried a few things.

I also tried tweaking a million settings to attempt to find a workaround. Looks like it's a wait for a fix kinda bug

What I get for not playing for a week or so while exams were going :evil:

legine · Guru Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 555 Location: Germany

I am not abel to sign on the US FOrum since iam German. So I signed on the German one:
http://forums-de.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-suggestion-de&ThreadID=47478
Just in case anyone has the same Problems

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Waywocket · Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:19 am Post subject:

By the way Darckness, on the US forum you said something about how hard it would be for them to port the game to Linux unless they'd secretly had a port all along. I'd like to copy/paste a post I made in the EU forum:

legine · Guru Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 555 Location: Germany

Waywocket:
We talked about the Linux Version some time ago. It is nothing new. But think. This was the Beta Version. There are many Bugfixes made since then. The effort of involving three OS is not an easy task, because you have to check every Change on three Boxes.
That is not that easy. IMHO I think they have more Problem of support the game. They can hardly make a support for Windows and Mac. How they want to get People who can support all three OSes? You could assign your Support crew some experts of course. But that would raise Costs, and maybe not worth the trouble you get.
Thats why I said that I will continue my efforts on supporting WoW in my freetime with a Linuxversion too.

I have the same doubt like Darckness Blizzard will Listen to us. They are makeing more money then they ever imagined with the game and (without us) they do not realy need us to be successfull. But like always the hope is the last that dies. Maybe they will recon the grows of popularity of Linux and get us involved.
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Waywocket · Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:38 am Post subject:

I think they'd be better off if they made and released a Linux version, and this patch is an example of why. Here we have a bug which affects a small number of Windows users and is hard to track down - but on Wine it's reproducible. A bug that's reproducible is 90% fixed (assuming those who can reproduce it have the code). Porting is frequently a good thing if only because it helps shake out bugs that would otherwise be a lot harder to track down and fix.

Edit: IF they released it unsupported, like NWN, they'd essentially have a bonus of better testing and more customers, with the only downside being that they'd have to compile one extra version, and possibly update the beta version to current if a) the code is entirely platform dependent (not too likely in its entirety, I'd say; most of the changes should be internal to the game - all of them really *should* be, but I guess not if they've been fiddling with memory management) and b) they've let the supposed beta version stagnate after giving up on it (likely).
Does anyone here have any real evidence that this version existed? Anyone know if it's possible to get hold of the 0.8 beta client anywhere?

lorschy · Apprentice Joined: 16 Jul 2002 Posts: 191

enable "MemoryLayoutOverride" = "0x10000000" in your $HOME/.transfaming/config, and it should work again.

original post can be found here http://www.linuxforen.de/forums/showthread.php?t=186232

anarchist · Apprentice Joined: 12 Jul 2002 Posts: 264

Mhh i thought more people will see it in the forums, but i also postet my solution here in the WOW IS BROKEN =( thread, but anyway now you know it ^^

Rufinus · n00b Joined: 18 Jun 2002 Posts: 21

Waywocket · Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:14 pm Post subject:

Does anybody know what exactly this does, and if there's any analogous change that can be made to Wine?

RLM · n00b Joined: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 8

I've been having a strange problem. My main character is an Undead Rogue, but for some reason WoW always crashes when loading up an Undead or an Orc character. I could play fine up until 2 or 3 days before the 1.5.0 patch was released. One morning I woke up, logged in and wow crashed and It's been crashing since. I can view other Undead and Orc characters when playing as another race. I can even view my player model in the opening movie when I make a new undead or orc character. I thought it might be a problem with some sort of configuration, so I completely uninstalled WoW and wine. I thought for sure that It would help, but I re-installed wine, re-installed WoW and patched up completely, and I'm still crashing. I'm completely out of ideas. Can anyone help me?

Garwin · Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:48 pm Post subject:

Works for me too.

Dont know if that will explain what it does, but i copied the description from the config file.

[memory]
;; Attempt to make memory allocation more windows like.
;; Not for use with all applications. Best used in app default section.
"MemoryLayoutOverride" = "0x10000000"

Thats what i found in the Release Notes for WineX3.0
Lastly, WineX 3.0 ships with the new [memory] section which was originally
designed to work around a specific bug in Medal Of Honor: Allied Assault which
was rarely triggered running on its original operating system. The problem has been
fed back to EA and should be included in the latest Spearhead expansion patch.
The only option in this section is "MemoryLayoutOverride". We do not recommend
using this option for any application other than those provided by default in
the config file as it is known to cause problems with at least Starcraft and
WarcraftIII. If you can't get through the day without an unhandled exception
crash or two, feel free to use this option for all your gaming needs .

Seems like there is no option like that for Wine.

Raphux · n00b Joined: 11 Sep 2004 Posts: 41 Location: Paris

Hi there!

I search a lot before posting... first of all, I couldn't install WoW, it was telling me that I hadn't space left... After installing winetools, it removes all my ~/.wine (Without a big "CAUTION" and no backup... I lost a lot) and re-arranged it in a better way. Then I could install WoW, and launch it. WoW even download the patch with Blizzard's P2P client, but the patch can't be installed, it crash. When i wan't to launch it manually, here is what i have :

RLM · n00b Joined: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 8

Check the filesize of the patch Raphux. I was getting the same error, it turned out that the patch was the wrong size. I downloaded the patch from filefront and installed it. It worked fine.

legine · Guru Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 555 Location: Germany

Raphux
have you installed Mozillas ActiveX?

RLM
Sorry RLM I am out of Ideas too. :cry:

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ackward · Apprentice Joined: 06 Sep 2002 Posts: 192

[quote="legine"
We talked about the Linux Version some time ago. It is nothing new. But think. This was the Beta Version. There are many Bugfixes made since then. The effort of involving three OS is not an easy task, because you have to check every Change on three Boxes.IMHO I think they have more Problem of support the game. They can hardly make a support for Windows and Mac. [/quote]

I also think the lack of linux version is related to support problems/overcost than technical. Come on, people here who could play without problems in windows have a lot of problems not related to wow but with the graphic card, opengl, dri, kernel version so supporting it officialy to clueless customes is almost impossible.

Ok, they could release an "unsupported" official release, but that has costs too. Programmers, testers and people will still have problems with alsa, oss, ati, nvidia or anything else. IMHO what they should do is accept unoficially wine and cedega in their tests. Wine and cedega both are in a state where the game is almost perfect, at least for me the performance is better than in windows. So the people who tests the new patches could try them in a working 'fixed spec' machine with wine and cedega, Blizzard doesn't need to support the platform just test and detect future problems, someones could be corrected before going public and the other ones let transgaming or winehq fix them.

I'm not talking about supporting the linux or emulated version but at least warn in advance that the next patch will break the game or wont work 'a' and 'b'.

Raphux · n00b Joined: 11 Sep 2004 Posts: 41 Location: Paris

legine · Guru Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 555 Location: Germany

They are small patches like now from 1.5.0 to 1.5.1

EDIT: md5sum of WoW-1.5.0-enGB-patch.exe

cbf0ab397a77a9df55188589fa0e72e2

Maybe that helps
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Soldier: Nothing yet, sir.

thanqu0l · n00b Joined: 06 Mar 2005 Posts: 8

discomfitor · l33t Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 927 Location: None

Waywocket: I'm aware of the fact that there used to be a Linux client. But as I said, there's two possibilities: either they've continued developing it in secret, or they would have to "update" it. In this case, if the WoW client had remained untouched since the time it was removed, it would be hopelessly out of date, to the point where it would probably be just as easy to start over, importing only the bare necessities from the old client. I predict they would use SDL since the creator of SDL works for them, but that doesn't mean that they actually would use SDL.

Anyway, I'm glad that a fix has been discovered. Great job team, and keep up the good work.

EDIT: Updated this howto, bugzilla, and appdb.
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