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pjp Administrator
Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20502
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 3:00 am Post subject: Changing thread titles |
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-- MOD EDIT split off from this thread - BB --
If JeepinJoe didn't seem to exist solely for the purpose of starting this thread with an inflamatory title, I might have left it alone.
Commenting here is fine, as long as the thread doesn't turn into a debate about changing the title
As for defining "spineless wussies", spineless could be translated to "lacking willpower" and wussies could be translated to "someone that is weak" (not necessarily physically). _________________ Quis separabit? Quo animo? |
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DuF Advocate
Joined: 09 Dec 2002 Posts: 2687 Location: Paris
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 3:24 am Post subject: |
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ok, if I think that JeepinJoe is free to say waht he wants, I agree with your position about changing the title
Thanks kanuslupus for your explanation about "spineless wussies" ! |
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BigRedDot n00b
Joined: 29 Oct 2002 Posts: 67 Location: Austin
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 3:38 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Commenting here is fine, as long as the thread doesn't turn into a debate about changing the title |
What's to debate? Changing the title of a thread that already has four pages of discussion is an awful editorial decision. _________________ Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6000 people just like you. |
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kres Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 122 Location: Narnia
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 5:07 am Post subject: Prolly my last post to this dicussion |
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I've been following this one for awhile, and need to more fully dive into my box upgrade now... time to sign off of this one.
With that said, thanks to the group for a good discussion. (I was very glad to see that a French Gentoo citizen got in on the discussion; You have a very sound viewpoint duf, I enjoyed reading it, even though I do not support it 100% - but I did take away some understanding from it.)
In general, for those of you that tossed in some well thought or well felt opinions here, good for you. This thread could of been (and I think was ment to be by whoever JeepinJoe is...) a flame fest of ape-lie quality.
It was nice to see that it elevated itself above it's humble beginings.
I think that in general the group wants to see the right thing done, with a calm head. It may come to war, it may come to diplomacy, but hopefully it will work itself out for the best.
See ya in the forums, _________________ Kres |
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darktux Veteran
Joined: 16 Nov 2002 Posts: 1086 Location: Coimbra, Portugal
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:52 am Post subject: |
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BigRedDot wrote: | Quote: | Commenting here is fine, as long as the thread doesn't turn into a debate about changing the title |
What's to debate? Changing the title of a thread that already has four pages of discussion is an awful editorial decision. |
It's a delay _________________ Lego my ego, and I'll lego your knowledge
www.tuxslare.org - My reborn website |
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-JeaN- Apprentice
Joined: 25 Nov 2002 Posts: 211 Location: PaRiS :D
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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I'm french and i think that the guy who posted that thread should die in pain while he is headcutted in a french public place and at the same time while he is being burned alive !
*Just Kidding*
Though about the position of france in the US/Iraq problem is a sense one : Hussein should be the one punished, not the whole people of Iraq, i hope we all agree in this ! A war would punish Hussein, but using the iraq people as tool. There is nothing to be proud about in such thing as a war, history has shown us that a war is the most basic way to solve country problems, and i hope we are soon enough advanced not to do wars anymore and use our brains instead. But for that to be possible there must be no idiots in power of big or important countries........
/me points at Bush.... |
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pilla Bodhisattva
Joined: 07 Aug 2002 Posts: 7730 Location: Underworld
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Later is better than never. The previous title was very offensive and against the Forum Guidelines. Maybe it should have been locked in the beggining.
BigRedDot wrote: |
What's to debate? Changing the title of a thread that already has four pages of discussion is an awful editorial decision. |
_________________ "I'm just very selective about the reality I choose to accept." -- Calvin |
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bsolar Bodhisattva
Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 2764
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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Bloody Bastard wrote: | Later is better than never. The previous title was very offensive and against the Forum Guidelines. Maybe it should have been locked in the beggining. |
IMHO it was a provocative title rather than an offensive one, I'd have left it as it was.
Even though I accept the decisions of the moderators. _________________ I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. |
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BigRedDot n00b
Joined: 29 Oct 2002 Posts: 67 Location: Austin
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Later is better than never. The previous title was very offensive and against the Forum Guidelines. Maybe it should have been locked in the beggining. |
Apart from the fact that there is no right not to be offended in this world, the previous title was too stupid to be offensive. To paraphrase Nelson Mandela, there is something to be said for leaving monuments to ignorance intact, as reminders. We all know what a silly title it was - you don't need to do our thinking for us.
In any event, if something violates forum guidelines, then locking should be your only prerogative. If someone says something stupid, they should expect criticism; they should not have to worry about being held resonsible for things published in their name that they never said. The sort of revisionism that would arbitrarily change what someone posts, yet still leave it attributed to them is just plain deceitful. _________________ Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6000 people just like you. |
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pilla Bodhisattva
Joined: 07 Aug 2002 Posts: 7730 Location: Underworld
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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We usually edit the first post to tell that a thread title has been changed (I edited it now). I think that if you don't follow the guidelines, you're subjecting your posts to be edited, locked or deleted by moderators. It's like what we see in TV, if something does not comply with their guidelines, they put a tag, a beep or change dialogs.
BigRedDot wrote: | If someone says something stupid, they should expect criticism; they should not have to worry about being held resonsible for things published in their name that they never said. The sort of revisionism that would arbitrarily change what someone posts, yet still leave it attributed to them is just plain deceitful. |
_________________ "I'm just very selective about the reality I choose to accept." -- Calvin |
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BigRedDot n00b
Joined: 29 Oct 2002 Posts: 67 Location: Austin
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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I think your television analogy is faulty. Network broadcasters are the creators and disseminators of content, in a one-way media. For content from other sources, edits are either executed by the content creators themselves, or else under explicit contractual terms. Networks are not purporting to host a neutral open forum for interested parties to conduct discussions.
Naturally, the owners of this forum may choose to excercise whatever editorial control they please. But I might suggest that if they cannot suffer the wide variety of opinions and attitudes that are sure to accompany a general interest forum like "Off the Wall," then perhaps it would be more efficacious to not support such a forum at all.
Again: locking, or even possibly deleting a post is one thing; editing another person's words, after the fact, without their input, is quite another. It is dishonest and dishonorable - a solution more offensive and invidious than the alleged problem it supposedly addresses. If those are the rules here, I respectfully choose to no longer play. Who do I talk to about deleting my account? _________________ Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6000 people just like you. |
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pilla Bodhisattva
Joined: 07 Aug 2002 Posts: 7730 Location: Underworld
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Disclaimer: my opinion may not match the ones of site maintainers or other moderators
I don't edit posts to change the meaning. The maximum I do is 1) to change inline figures and constructions that hurt badly the forums; 2) thread titles when it is really necessary (when I thread get sticky for example), and pointing out where I did such modifications.
In the other cases, I may lock a thread because of flame wars, for example. But I support kanuslupus' acts on this thread, mainly because the user was clearly created as a troll (please correct me if I am wrong). Then, we may discuss a sensible question: should we be able to create anonymous accounts to post trolls or should we use our main account and feel the consequences?
BTW, I am sure that the guy that posted it knew he/she was doing something bad. Or he/she wouldn't use a new account. _________________ "I'm just very selective about the reality I choose to accept." -- Calvin |
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antik Apprentice
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Bloody Bastard wrote: | Disclaimer: my opinion may not match the ones of site maintainers or other moderators
BTW, I am sure that the guy that posted it knew he/she was doing something bad. Or he/she wouldn't use a new account. |
How many users got kicked from Gentoo forums for nasty behaveour?
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sorry my bad english this is only my third language. |
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pilla Bodhisattva
Joined: 07 Aug 2002 Posts: 7730 Location: Underworld
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know, and I cannot remember of anyone since I began as a moderator.
antik wrote: |
How many users got kicked from Gentoo forums for nasty behaveour?
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_________________ "I'm just very selective about the reality I choose to accept." -- Calvin |
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DuF Advocate
Joined: 09 Dec 2002 Posts: 2687 Location: Paris
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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Bloody Bastard wrote: | .... mainly because the user was clearly created as a troll (please correct me if I am wrong). Then, we may discuss a sensible question: should we be able to create anonymous accounts to post trolls or should we use our main account and feel the consequences? ....
BTW, I am sure that the guy that posted it knew he/she was doing something bad. Or he/she wouldn't use a new account. |
I just can be agree with this point of view and >I think that to be able to create anonymous account is not a solution.
Simply says what we think and assume it, and everybody have the right to say what he thinks, it's the base of Freedom, to be able of free speaking imo ! |
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c_kuzmanic Guru
Joined: 18 Apr 2002 Posts: 488 Location: Los Angeles , California
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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:45 am Post subject: |
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BigRedDot wrote: | Quote: | Commenting here is fine, as long as the thread doesn't turn into a debate about changing the title |
What's to debate? Changing the title of a thread that already has four pages of discussion is an awful editorial decision. |
Please don't blame kanuslupus, I'm the one who complained about the title of this thread. Kanuslupus simply acted on my complaint, and changed the title of this post to something suitable and in accordance with the forum rules.
Needles to say I'm very grateful for kanuslupus for taking my complaint seriously. We have a large french gentoo user base, and I don't think it's acceptable to have people open up bogus accounts and then make inflamatory remarks. In that same spirit, I could open up a thread titled "Why are the Americans such brainless boneheads ?". I don't know about you, but being an American I would be offended by such a thread. The gentoo forum is outstanding in its level of quality and integrity, and I think that standard has to be upheld. For example, Kanuslupus and I don't agree on much in terms of politics, and we engaged in some hefty debates about a variety of subjects, and yet he still went out of his way to facilitate my complaint. I think that's a very good example in terms of quality of discussions and the maturity of the participants on this board. We, the participants of this board, might not agree on everything, but we accept and respect the rules and the other participants, period.
Since kanuslupus asked us not to turn this thread into a discussion about the changing of the title of this thread, that's all I will say on the subject of changing the title of this thread.
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pilla Bodhisattva
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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:50 am Post subject: |
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It could be offensive to any other people, even if they did'nt have a single Gentoo user, I would be for changing the title. BTW, I have split threads, and this one is just to discuss about "changing titles".
c_kuzmanic wrote: |
Please don't blame kanuslupus, I'm the one who complained about the title of this thread. Kanuslupus simply acted on my complaint, and changed the title of this post to something suitable and in accordance with the forum rules.
Needles to say I'm very grateful for kanuslupus for taking my complaint seriously. We have a large french gentoo user base, and I don't think it's acceptable to have people open up bogus accounts and then make inflamatory remarks. The gentoo forum is outstanding in its level of quality and integrity, and I think that standard has to be upheld. For example, Kanuslupus and I don't agree on much in terms of politics, and we engaged in some hefty debates about a variety of subjects, and yet he still went out of his way to facilitate my complaint. I think that's a very good example in terms of quality of discussions and the maturity of the participants on this board. We, the participants of this board, might not agree on everything, but we accept and respect the rules and the other participants, period.
Since kanuslupus asked us not to turn this thread into a discussion about the changing of the title of this thread, that's all I will say on the subject of changing the title of this thread. |
_________________ "I'm just very selective about the reality I choose to accept." -- Calvin |
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c_kuzmanic Guru
Joined: 18 Apr 2002 Posts: 488 Location: Los Angeles , California
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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:55 am Post subject: |
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Bloody Bastard wrote: | It could be offensive to any other people, even if they did'nt have a single Gentoo user, I would be for changing the title. BTW, I have split threads, and this one is just to discuss about "changing titles".
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Cool, I was about to suggest that, thx |
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klieber Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Apr 2002 Posts: 3657 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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antik wrote: | How many users got kicked from Gentoo forums for nasty behaveour? |
A few, but not many. (less than 5) It's something we only do as a last resort.
--kurt _________________ The problem with political jokes is that they get elected |
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bsolar Bodhisattva
Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 2764
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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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klieber wrote: | antik wrote: | How many users got kicked from Gentoo forums for nasty behaveour? |
A few, but not many. (less than 5) It's something we only do as a last resort.
--kurt |
There isn't a "Hall of Shame"? _________________ I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. |
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