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pava_rulez Guru
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:08 am Post subject: Duplex mismatch slowing down my network |
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Hi everybody,
I've got troubles with our lan at work; our external firewall server (Cassiopea) blaims about a duplex mismatch. Using mii-tool on this server returns
Code: | {root@Cassiopea} [~]\ # mii-tool
eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-HD, link ok
eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-HD, link ok |
while this is the output from mii-tool on others server attached to the switch to whom Cassiopea is attached too
Code: | Orione ~ # mii-tool
eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok
eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-HD, link ok
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Code: | {root@Gate1} [~]\ # mii-tool
eth0: negotiated 10baseT-HD, link ok
eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok
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Besides these annoying messages, I see that when I traceroute to any external domain when packets pass through Cassiopea a marked slowing down occurs. can you please give me a hint? |
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m_sqrd Guru
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Can you show a sample of you network as a drawing ?
and also run mii-tool with more verbose output like
mii-tool -vv |
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pava_rulez Guru
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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m_sqrd wrote: | Can you show a sample of you network as a drawing ?
and also run mii-tool with more verbose output like
mii-tool -vv |
I've draw a picture in ASCII code but I can't successfully paste it in the test box. How can I do? |
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bigfunkymo Apprentice
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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use the code markup heres the faq _________________ [No package... Grabbing a set.] |
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pava_rulez Guru
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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OK, you can find the scheme in here. Hope it works...
1 further thing:
10.0.0.1,2,3 are servers' NIC addresses onto DMZ |
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m_sqrd Guru
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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The only one that look off is Gate1's eth0 10/hd every thing else on that hub is 100/hd
so I'd check that NIC and cable.
ps I'd still like to see the mii-tool -vv output just do dubbel check the links capabilities at both ends |
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pava_rulez Guru
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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m_sqrd wrote: | The only one that look off is Gate1's eth0 10/hd every thing else on that hub is 100/hd
so I'd check that NIC and cable.
ps I'd still like to see the mii-tool -vv output just do dubbel check the links capabilities at both ends |
Code: | {root@Cassiopea} [~]\ # mii-tool -vv
Using SIOCGMIIPHY=0x8947
eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-HD, link ok
registers for MII PHY 24:
1000 782d 0040 6120 01e1 40a1 0003 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
1000 0309 0033 0000 0000 011f 0200 0000
003a f33e 0f00 ff00 002a 0000 20a0 000b
product info: vendor 00:10:18, model 18 rev 0
basic mode: autonegotiation enabled
basic status: autonegotiation complete, link ok
capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
advertising: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
link partner: 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-HD
eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-HD, link ok
registers for MII PHY 24:
1000 786d 0000 0000 01e1 40a1 0007 2801
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
8000 0afb f5ff 0000 0000 0005 2001 0000
0000 2049 0045 1c11 0192 1000 0000 0000
product info: vendor 00:00:00, model 0 rev 0
basic mode: autonegotiation enabled
basic status: autonegotiation complete, link ok
capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
advertising: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
link partner: 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-HD |
Code: | Orione linux # mii-tool -vv
eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok
registers for MII PHY 24:
1000 786d 0000 0000 01e1 45e1 0007 2801
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
8000 0afb f5ff 0000 0000 0005 2001 0000
0000 203e 0084 1c11 0192 1000 0000 0000
product info: vendor 00:00:00, model 0 rev 0
basic mode: autonegotiation enabled
basic status: autonegotiation complete, link ok
capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
advertising: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
link partner: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD flow-control
eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-HD, link ok
registers for MII PHY 32:
1000 782d 0000 0000 01e1 40a1 0001 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
product info: vendor 00:00:00, model 0 rev 0
basic mode: autonegotiation enabled
basic status: autonegotiation complete, link ok
capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
advertising: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
link partner: 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-HD
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Code: | {root@Gate1} [~]\ # mii-tool -vv
eth0: negotiated 10baseT-HD, link ok
registers for MII PHY 24:
1000 182d 0000 0000 4061 40a1 8003 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
product info: vendor 00:00:00, model 0 rev 0
basic mode: autonegotiation enabled
basic status: autonegotiation complete, link ok
capabilities: 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
advertising: 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
link partner: 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-HD
eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok
registers for MII PHY 1:
1000 782d 001d 8000 01e1 45e1 0000 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
0022 ff00 7c10 ffc0 6010 0000 0000 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
product info: vendor 00:07:60, model 0 rev 0
basic mode: autonegotiation enabled
basic status: autonegotiation complete, link ok
capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
advertising: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
link partner: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD flow-control
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m_sqrd Guru
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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If you have the resoucers I'd replace Gate1 eth0 with a 100m card and then the Hub with a 10/100 switch next. |
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think4urs11 Bodhisattva
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: Duplex mismatch slowing down my network |
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pava_rulez wrote: | can you please give me a hint? |
Disable auto negotiation and force the NICs to use the same settings for speed and duplex (eth0/Cassiopea, eth1/Orione, eth0/Gate1)
Autoneg is known to be not 100% error free _________________ Nothing is secure / Security is always a trade-off with usability / Do not assume anything / Trust no-one, nothing / Paranoia is your friend / Think for yourself |
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pava_rulez Guru
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: Duplex mismatch slowing down my network |
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Think4UrS11 wrote: | pava_rulez wrote: | can you please give me a hint? |
Disable auto negotiation and force the NICs to use the same settings for speed and duplex (eth0/Cassiopea, eth1/Orione, eth0/Gate1)
Autoneg is known to be not 100% error free |
Hi Think4UrS11,
I've tried to do
Code: | mii-tool --force=100baseTx-FD eth0 or eth1 |
with all of the Nics but nothing seems to change. Traceroute is still VEEEERY slow. What did I miss? |
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think4urs11 Bodhisattva
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Duplex mismatch slowing down my network |
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pava_rulez wrote: | What did I miss? |
The fact that the best you can get with a hub as active network component in between the systems will be 100Mbit halfduplex, NOT full duplex as you've configured. _________________ Nothing is secure / Security is always a trade-off with usability / Do not assume anything / Trust no-one, nothing / Paranoia is your friend / Think for yourself |
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pava_rulez Guru
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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I' ve also tried to make
Code: | mii-tool --force=100baseTx-HD eth0 or eth1 |
and nothing changes... |
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pava_rulez Guru
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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To be honest I've forgotten to mention a couple of things. My hub has two 100Mb ports and some others (I can't remember how many...) 10 Mb. When I started the post I had Cassiopea and Orione attached to 100 Mb ports and Gate 1 attached to 10 Mb one. Now I've replaced Gate1's DMZ attached Nic with a 100 Mb card, but cable is still plugged into 10 Mb port. Can use a 10/100 switch that I've just purchased which have 5 10/100 Mb ports? And have I to configure it in some special way or can I simply plug the cables into it and everything will work?
Thanks |
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think4urs11 Bodhisattva
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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pava_rulez wrote: | Now I've replaced Gate1's DMZ attached Nic with a 100 Mb card, but cable is still plugged into 10 Mb port. |
Change it - otherwise the new card is (more or less) useless
pava_rulez wrote: | Can use a 10/100 switch that I've just purchased which have 5 10/100 Mb ports? |
Good idea.
pava_rulez wrote: | And have I to configure it in some special way or can I simply plug the cables into it and everything will work? |
99.99% yes, simply plug and p[rl]ay; try first with auto negotiation though - cheap switches normally do very well with it - given good (Cat5) cables. _________________ Nothing is secure / Security is always a trade-off with usability / Do not assume anything / Trust no-one, nothing / Paranoia is your friend / Think for yourself |
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pava_rulez Guru
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, thanks again Think4UrS11, I'm gonna try tomorrow!!!
Ah, BTW, cool your avatar!!! |
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think4urs11 Bodhisattva
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Always a pleasure to help out with issues i know what i'm talking about
BTW - thanks _________________ Nothing is secure / Security is always a trade-off with usability / Do not assume anything / Trust no-one, nothing / Paranoia is your friend / Think for yourself |
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pava_rulez Guru
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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No way, I can't use switch 10/100 anymore, but a Fast Ethernet Hub.
I've plugged all of the cables in 100 Mb ports and set every nic to HD-100Mb. But here's the result...
Code: | {root@Cassiopea} [~]\ # mii-tool -vv
Using SIOCGMIIPHY=0x8947
eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-HD, link ok
registers for MII PHY 24:
3000 782d 0040 6120 01e1 40a1 0003 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
1000 0301 0000 0000 0000 01ac 0100 0000
003e f33e 0f00 ff00 002e 0000 20a0 000b
product info: vendor 00:10:18, model 18 rev 0
basic mode: autonegotiation enabled
basic status: autonegotiation complete, link ok
capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
advertising: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
link partner: 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-HD
eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-HD, link ok
registers for MII PHY 24:
3000 786d 0000 0000 01e1 40a1 0007 2801
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
8000 0afb f5ff 0000 0000 0005 2001 0000
0000 204a 0045 1c11 0012 1000 0000 0000
product info: vendor 00:00:00, model 0 rev 0
basic mode: autonegotiation enabled
basic status: autonegotiation complete, link ok
capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
advertising: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
link partner: 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-HD
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Code: | {root@Pegaso} [~]\ # mii-tool -vv
Using SIOCGMIIPHY=0x8947
eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-HD, link ok
registers for MII PHY 24:
3000 786d 0000 0000 01e1 40a1 0007 2801
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
8000 0afb f5ff 0000 0000 0005 2001 0000
0000 2036 0046 1c11 0012 1000 0000 0000
product info: vendor 00:00:00, model 0 rev 0
basic mode: autonegotiation enabled
basic status: autonegotiation complete, link ok
capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
advertising: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
link partner: 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-HD
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Code: | {root@Gate1} [~]\ # mii-tool -vv
eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-HD, link ok
registers for MII PHY 24:
1000 786d 0000 0000 01e1 40a1 0005 2801
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
8000 0008 0090 0000 0000 0005 2001 0000
0000 2040 0043 1c11 0002 1000 0000 0000
product info: vendor 00:00:00, model 0 rev 0
basic mode: autonegotiation enabled
basic status: autonegotiation complete, link ok
capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
advertising: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
link partner: 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-HD
eth1: 100 Mbit, half duplex, link ok
registers for MII PHY 1:
2000 780d 001d 8000 01e1 0000 0000 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
0022 ff00 0080 ffc0 6010 0000 0000 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
product info: vendor 00:07:60, model 0 rev 0
basic mode: 100 Mbit, half duplex
basic status: link ok
capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
advertising: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
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Code: | Orione ~ # mii-tool -vv
eth0: 100 Mbit, half duplex, link ok
registers for MII PHY 24:
2000 784d 0000 0000 01e1 45e1 0004 2001
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
8000 0080 0090 0000 0000 0005 2001 0000
0000 203e 0084 1c11 0002 1000 0000 0000
product info: vendor 00:00:00, model 0 rev 0
basic mode: 100 Mbit, half duplex
basic status: link ok
capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
advertising: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
link partner: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD flow-control
eth1: 10 Mbit, half duplex, link ok
registers for MII PHY 32:
0000 780d 0000 0000 01e1 0000 0000 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
product info: vendor 00:00:00, model 0 rev 0
basic mode: 10 Mbit, half duplex
basic status: link ok
capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
advertising: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
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and traceroute from these servers
Code: | {root@Cassiopea} [~]\ # traceroute www.gentoo.org
traceroute: Warning: www.gentoo.org has multiple addresses; using 38.99.64.201
traceroute to www.gentoo.org (38.99.64.201), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 192.168.0.254 (192.168.0.254) 0.883 ms 0.830 ms 0.874 ms
2 37.6.170.3 (37.6.170.3) 1.709 ms 1.554 ms 1.598 ms
3 10.3.7.97 (10.3.7.97) 1.784 ms 1.658 ms 1.700 ms
4 10.3.7.17 (10.3.7.17) 1.690 ms 1.682 ms 1.652 ms
5 10.254.1.169 (10.254.1.169) 1.764 ms 1.727 ms 1.651 ms
6 10.254.1.65 (10.254.1.65) 6.973 ms 6.726 ms 6.858 ms
7 83-103-100-177.ip.fastwebnet.it (83.103.100.177) 7.026 ms 7.052 ms 7.149 ms
8 83-103-100-162.ip.fastwebnet.it (83.103.100.162) 11.173 ms 11.200 ms 11.162 ms
9 81-208-50-45.ip.fastwebnet.it (81.208.50.45) 11.030 ms 11.028 ms 11.023 ms
10 ge-3-1-0.mil11.ip.tiscali.net (213.200.68.65) 45.255 ms 16.664 ms 16.727 ms
11 so-1-0-0.nyc33.ip.tiscali.net (213.200.81.253) 106.444 ms 115.239 ms 106.311 ms
12 p5-0.core01.jfk05.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.11.25) 113.844 ms 112.689 ms 112.672 ms |
Code: | {root@Pegaso} [~]\ # traceroute www.gentoo.org
traceroute: Warning: www.gentoo.org has multiple addresses; using 204.225.92.144
traceroute to www.gentoo.org (204.225.92.144), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 10.0.0.1 (10.0.0.1) 0.231 ms 0.147 ms 0.096 ms
2 192.168.0.254 (192.168.0.254) 0.983 ms 0.964 ms 0.924 ms
3 37.6.170.3 (37.6.170.3) 1.731 ms 1.580 ms 1.612 ms
4 10.3.7.97 (10.3.7.97) 1.863 ms 1.783 ms 1.680 ms
5 10.3.7.25 (10.3.7.25) 1.788 ms 1.714 ms 1.644 ms
6 10.254.1.185 (10.254.1.185) 1.909 ms 1.663 ms 1.697 ms
7 10.254.1.69 (10.254.1.69) 7.131 ms 6.940 ms 6.907 ms
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Code: | {root@Gate1} [~]\ # traceroute www.gentoo.org
traceroute: Warning: www.gentoo.org has multiple addresses; using 204.225.92.144
traceroute to www.gentoo.org (204.225.92.144), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 10.0.0.1 (10.0.0.1) 0.464 ms 0.254 ms 0.271 ms
2 * * *
3 37.6.170.3 (37.6.170.3) 2.007 ms 1.898 ms 1.703 ms
4 10.3.7.97 (10.3.7.97) 2.005 ms 1.968 ms 1.948 ms
5 10.3.7.25 (10.3.7.25) 1.989 ms 1.847 ms 1.934 ms
6 10.254.1.185 (10.254.1.185) 1.986 ms 1.982 ms 1.936 ms
7 10.254.1.69 (10.254.1.69) 7.259 ms 7.443 ms 7.152 ms
8 83-103-100-217.ip.fastwebnet.it (83.103.100.217) 7.270 ms 7.278 ms 7.197 ms |
Code: | Orione ~ # traceroute www.gentoo.org
traceroute: Warning: www.gentoo.org has multiple addresses; using 204.225.92.144
traceroute to n2144.labattracks.onramp.ca (204.225.92.144), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 10.0.0.1 (10.0.0.1) 0.498 ms 0.391 ms 0.308 ms
2 * * *
3 37.6.170.3 (37.6.170.3) 2.095 ms 1.700 ms 1.815 ms
4 10.3.7.97 (10.3.7.97) 1.876 ms 2.021 ms 2.192 ms
5 10.3.7.25 (10.3.7.25) 2.404 ms 1.976 ms 2.175 ms
6 10.254.1.185 (10.254.1.185) 2.135 ms 1.939 ms 1.984 ms
7 10.254.1.69 (10.254.1.69) 7.208 ms 7.194 ms 7.210 ms
8 83-103-100-217.ip.fastwebnet.it (83.103.100.217) 7.366 ms 7.298 ms 7.364 ms
9 83-103-100-174.ip.fastwebnet.it (83.103.100.174) 11.832 ms 21.147 ms 11.893 ms
10 213-140-31-113.ip.fastwebnet.it (213.140.31.113) 11.754 ms 11.557 ms 11.589 ms
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think4urs11 Bodhisattva
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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and where's the issue?
as far as i see everything is fine... _________________ Nothing is secure / Security is always a trade-off with usability / Do not assume anything / Trust no-one, nothing / Paranoia is your friend / Think for yourself |
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pava_rulez Guru
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Think4UrS11 wrote: | and where's the issue?
as far as i see everything is fine... |
What about step 2 in Orione or Gate1 traceroute? Doesn't it suggest that packets coming from my network reach the public net at a very slow speed? And why other traceroute don't show these * * *? |
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think4urs11 Bodhisattva
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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around 2ms to the first hop in internet is SLOW? Man... i'm more used to have 20-50ms for that...
about the stars i'd bet on firewall settings which don't allow traceroute responses to be send out onto that subnet. _________________ Nothing is secure / Security is always a trade-off with usability / Do not assume anything / Trust no-one, nothing / Paranoia is your friend / Think for yourself |
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