quit moving the apache configs

[pksings]

Why do the apache directories keep getting moved around? Just to break everybody webservers? And force us to spend hours fixing them again!!!
Just because you felt that some file location and or directory should be in a different place

KNOCK IT OFF!!!!! Who died and made you God?

Some of us don't have time for this....

My webserver will now be offline for weeks until I can make time outside of my home remodel and work to fix it.

I was perfectly happy with what I had and a "normal" update, emerge world, goes and breaks everything!!!

GEEZ I'M PISSED AT WHO CAUSED THIS, THIS WAS COMPLETELY UN-NECESSARY!!!

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removed ALL CAPS TOPIC. PLEASE DON'T SCREAM AT US IT IS CONSIDERED IMPOLITE!!!1111elventyone
amne
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[Taladar]

Just reemerge the old version until you have time.

[qgriffith]

It was in the newsletter last week that they where going to do this any the reason is also there. I just did an emerge sync and did when I did an upgrade apache was not on the list of pacakges. Are you running ~x86 keywords for Apache?

[pksings]

First, emerge the old one until you have time.

Not possible, php got upgraded and stopped working, that's what started all this. Now I have php5, which may or may not be working, I can't tell.

Second.
It was in the newsletter. Wow, you have time to read those? I want your life.....

Thanks folks, it was nice of you to try and help. But the bottom line is that a "forced" upgrade broke my webserver. I don't care why or how, just that it won't start now. That sucks....

The Hippocratic oath seems like it would work really well in package upgrades. "First, do no harm"

An upgrade should not break things. Ever.
No where else in our lives is that acceptable. If the software upgrade on my ipod made the calendar stop working I would be seriously pissed at Apple.
If BMW upgraded the computer software on their cars and the GPS began not working correctly or at all, it would headline news on Reuters. And whoever owns one and got that upgrade would be joining the class action lawsuit over it here in the US.

And it isn't acceptable here either, if a configuration change is necessary then the upgrade should make the change in a way that existing functionality is not broken. If it breaks the config in such a manner that the feature or package no longer even works then it is not an upgrade, IT"S A BUG. And who would want to install a newer version that disables the function? Jeez, I had the old one because I wanted the function!

Whoever wrote it didn't finish their job. This never would pass Quality Control. Can you imagine trying to support this type of upgrade if you were the support department for Gentoo? Wow, 6000 phone calls in one hour because we "broke" everybody's webserver with an upgrade!

I hope this makes the Google cache so it's reserved for all in the future to read. This is important to all you package maintainers. You, you who did this....what were you thinking? That it would be okay with everyone? Sure! We are all perfectly happy to have to re-configure our webservers because you didn't see the need to maintain compatibility. And we are all Apache gurus so it's easy for us!!!! It took me probably over 60 hours to get my stinking simple site to even work, and now you come along and just hose it for me. Thanks, thanks a lot.....

I should make you fix it....
Yeah, you better read this and understand that it applies to you me and everyone else that uses Linux. Users, especially end-users will not put up with this crap. And if there is any hope of getting widespread public adoption of Gentoo and Linux then this kind of thing has to cease. We have to be better than Microsoft not "as good as".
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[qgriffith]

This should help

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/apache-upgrading.xml

[j-m]

And now - seriously - don't admin a webserver if you haven't noticed for 9 (!!!) months; did you wake up from hibernation today or what? Find someone more competent to do the job, really.

[vericgar]

Please remember this is a volunteer-driven project. If you want corporate support, go somewhere that has it, Gentoo does not. Things *have* to change sometimes to move forward. The changes we made make it easier to maintain apache and all it's many modules in the future, so that things are less likely to break in the future, and so that we can provide a sane upgrade path to 2.2.x when it becomes available. Also, you were not forced to upgrade. If you system is as critical as you say it is, then you should be taking the time to maintain it properly, by investigating what is changing when you do an emerge world. We will continue to support the old-style configuration that you are used to for some time to come. If you want to go back to it, just do the following:

emerge --unmerge =apache-2.0.54-r31
emerge =apache-2.0.54-r15
echo ">=net-www/apache-2.0.54-r30" > /etc/portage/package.mask

as far as PHP5, that is still in ~testing, so you shouldn't have been able to upgrade to it unless you have ~x86 in your ACCEPT_KEYWORDS. and if that is the case, then you should expect things to break if you aren't paying attention.
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[pksings]

Oh yeah, I forget that. And I guess that makes it okay...

I put the subject in all caps because I was pissed.. so to whoever modded it down, thanks.

My point in my previous rant is that it's okay to upgrade and change things so that it's easier to maintain. But it is not fair, right or even polite to change things and expect end-users to have to deal with it by slogging through whatever has to be changed as a result.

But since that is the attitude of the volunteers, and based on that it will probably continue to happen. Realistically.

Guys, my site is just a personal, family web site, it has webmail, phone messages, and a photograph gallery for my friends, it's no big deal. It's not hyper-critical.

I'm a storage consultant, not a programmer, not an admin. I just run my own server for my own stuff. I learned a little about Apache by doing my own, I made it work, it took a while though, and a lot of trial and error. I did a little bit of HTML coding to get what I wanted, not pretty, but it works for me. Now I have to do it again. And I am not looking forward to it.

And yes, I did have to add php5 to my modules.use, php4 stopped working, I read a few forum entries about unmerging this and that and re-emerging some other stuff and it made more sense to just emerge php5, which then required that I emerge apache again. Voila, no site, just the welcome page.

Ya know, attack me if you want, disparage me if it makes you feel better, I don't care. But what I said about people, end-users and the public in general not putting up with this kind of stuff is true, and we all recognize it. So if Gentoo is not going to function in this manner, then anyone who expects that it will should not be using it. So a format and reload is apparently in order here.

Yeah, I hear you, it looks like this will be changing to Ubuntu, a "professionally" supported distro, with official support. They haven't asked for my money yet, but they most certainly will get it when they do.

I'm going to control myself and not curse... I"m going to keep this clean....

Bye bye now... Y'all have a nice life...
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