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avieth Veteran
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silk.odyssey n00b
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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hmm looks interesting |
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widremann Veteran
Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 1314
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Too bad the powers that be want to kill off KDE in favor of the crapathon that is GNOME. |
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desultory Bodhisattva
Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 9410
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting maybe. To me this looks like they just threw together some eye candy without looking at how people would actually use the proposed(?) new features. I for one hope that the current look and feel wil at least be an option. |
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crudh l33t
Joined: 12 May 2005 Posts: 696 Location: Sundbyberg, Sweden
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like a mockup to me? |
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Sangeki Apprentice
Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 186
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:07 pm Post subject: erm guys... |
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No one knows yet how KDE 4 will look.
This Screenshot is just a basic concept. (and it doesn't look that fascinating IMHO)
I'm (nowadays) a pretty big Fan of KDE and I'm sure KDE 4 will rock but it's realy to far off to have anything to discuss now.
And just because Novell makes GNOME the default Desktop on all it's product's doesn't mean that they could kill KDE... |
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michelle778 n00b
Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 73
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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It looks nice, really, but it doesn't look very usebale or easy on your hardware ressources... _________________ Nothing is easier than being busy - and nothing more difficult than being effective. |
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avieth Veteran
Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 1945 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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I love eye candy, but KDE really isnt a great choice for slower systems. If I have a < 600 mhz computer on my hands, Xfce is the solution. |
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oddie n00b
Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 49 Location: int9h
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: KDE 4 is Gonna Rock |
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[dreaming sigh]
If they would implement one day something `easy-to-useable' for modular installation like split-ebuilds...
[/dreaming sigh] _________________ memento mori |
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DarkMind Guru
Joined: 18 Dec 2003 Posts: 525 Location: Santiago, Chile
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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avieth wrote: | I love eye candy, but KDE really isnt a great choice for slower systems. If I have a < 600 mhz computer on my hands, Xfce is the solution. |
xfce4 is good desktop, but for geeks
kde and gnome are the only solution for massive desktop use |
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Archangel1 Veteran
Joined: 21 Apr 2004 Posts: 1212 Location: Work
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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oddie wrote: | [dreaming sigh]
If they would implement one day something `easy-to-useable' for modular installation like split-ebuilds...
[/dreaming sigh] |
Is that meant to be sarcastic? 'Cause there have been split ebuilds for some time now...
DarkMind wrote: | kde and gnome are the only solution for massive desktop use |
Enlightenment > *
Okay, okay, I'm using Konqueror in it as well, because it's good at what it does. I don't find that I need a full on DE to get work done though - hell, most serious work tends to be within one app at a time, in which case the WM makes no difference anyway _________________ What are you, stupid? |
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i92guboj Bodhisattva
Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Posts: 10315 Location: Córdoba (Spain)
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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DarkMind wrote: | avieth wrote: | I love eye candy, but KDE really isnt a great choice for slower systems. If I have a < 600 mhz computer on my hands, Xfce is the solution. |
xfce4 is good desktop, but for geeks
kde and gnome are the only solution for massive desktop use |
If you consider the xfce users to be geeks, what do you think about people who use fvwm?
KDE and Gnome are both great designs with a good side (and a lot of bad ones). They are friendly for new users (or so are they said), but, unfortunatelly we all know where the evolution will got with that...
Nowadays, you can still take a kde (I suppose that the same is possible with gnome as well) and customize it to be very light, while keeping all the functionality. I usually use fvwm, but sometimes i like to play around with kde a bit. The current kde-3.5 is fast for me, as I use only the usefull features. For example, who needs kdesktop? I never manager to understand what's the meaning of desktop icons when you are woking and have a maxed window in front of your desktop (if you dont have one, better turn off the light). That, a light background, a blank screensaver and a not-so-fancy kwin theme, with none of karamba or gdesklets stuff gives you a fully functional kde (that imo looks better than any overloaded screen like that) and with a memory footprint of about 60 mb (surprise!).
Really, what is heavy on cpu and memory is not gnome or kde, but the gnome or kde users in search of eye candy. Dont missunderstand me, everyone can do what s/he feels like, but dont complaint if it takes high resources when you put zillions on toys in the screen that have no practical purpose at all. For example, the same that karamba or gdesklets does with a full load of applets filling a screen and taking about 20-40 mb of memory and some peaks of cpu usage here and there can be done with torsmo or conky, in much less space and with almost no resources. Even gkrellm is lighter and has the same, if not more, functionality than karamba.
I dont mind if kde gets more eyecandy with the time, its the natural evolution of the massive desktops (like kde and gnome), but I would like to retain the control to enable only the options that I really need. If the future kde is as configurable as the one that we have now, then lets get all that stuff, but if it is going to be a candy bulk, and the usability is being to be compromissed, then I will say bye forever. Not feel like bying 4gb memory to compensate that.
EDIT: Taking a closer view to that picture I have to say, sorry, but I can only see a lot of wasted space and almost no functionality (unless it is hidden in a thousand keybindings). |
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Marctraider Guru
Joined: 24 Dec 2003 Posts: 387
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:13 am Post subject: |
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avieth wrote: | I love eye candy, but KDE really isnt a great choice for slower systems. If I have a < 600 mhz computer on my hands, Xfce is the solution. |
On the contrary, KDE works fine on a computer lower then 600mhz, if your system and kde and all is properly configured (to work fast) and eyecandy removed (which doesnt mean using ugly standard kde theme but plastik or lipstik still works fine) it works very good. I used it both on a laptop with 233mhz and just 96mb of ram, only kdebase and kdelibs though, and a laptop from a friend of mine which had a 600mhz pentium 3 with 256mb of ram in some cases you can hardly feel the difference between my 2.1ghz athlon xp barton with 512mb drr and a 20gb 7200rpm drive and that laptop _________________ MOBO: Maximus II Gene
RAM: DDR2 OCZ 4GB
CPU: E6400 Conroe
GPU: HD2600XT
SATA: 3x 250GB. |
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Varean Guru
Joined: 03 Jul 2005 Posts: 436 Location: California, USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:52 am Post subject: |
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A very nice early concept shot. I look forward to what is will look like in a few months. (And don't forget the new features!) _________________ Registered Linux User #387568
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Fenster Apprentice
Joined: 26 Oct 2004 Posts: 172 Location: Purgatory
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:54 am Post subject: |
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Looks pretty, promising...and unusable. I know I'd go insane using a GUI such as that. _________________ photography - geekery |
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pjp Administrator
Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20485
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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widremann wrote: | Too bad the powers that be want to kill off KDE in favor of the crapathon that is GNOME. | 1st: What does Novell using Gnome have to do with the supposed "user dominance" that KDE has? Exactly. None.
2nd: KDE is no less a POS than Gnome. KDE sucks for different reasons than Gnome.
Fenster wrote: | Looks [...] unusable. | That was my first reaction. I suppose it could be different in practice, but I'm skeptical. Just looks like a slightly different way to present the same thing. Something truly innovative (and "better") would probably take a lot of money to identify though. _________________ Quis separabit? Quo animo? |
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Ivan Reche n00b
Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 26
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:57 am Post subject: |
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Looks terrible to me. Waste of desktop space and resources.
WMII works fine for me!
But there are a lot of others WM or DE that I enjoy: GNOME, XFCE4, Window Maker, WMI...
The only ones I really don't like is KDE and Afterstep. But it's just my opinion! |
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Q-collective Advocate
Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 2076
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:16 am Post subject: |
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Quite a nice concept |
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frilled Retired Dev
Joined: 15 Mar 2004 Posts: 386 Location: Atlantis, inner city ring
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:36 am Post subject: |
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This looks even worse then Gnome in terms of wasting desktop real estate ...
No matter what I do, I always return to something light. XFCE(4), mostly.
I really tried to like KDE. It didn't work. There's great potential in there. Especially the kio_slaves are simply great. fish://someone@someserver is ingenious. But it only works for KDE apps, of course. Wich is point where it utterly fails. KDE is very separatistic in nature. Other DEs are more open (one thing I especially like about XFCE - you can swap out every component for something else). Besides that, KDE does a lot of nice things, but it basically tries to re-invent all the mistakes that windoze made years ago. No way to go for me. And it's quite crashy. Even if I disregard kmail (which is the utmost unstable application I must have seen in my whole life) lots of KDE apps crash from time to time. Fortunately, krusader and kate work quite reliably, making them a good thing to work with in a *nux network. I use them from time to time from XFCE/*box, too, even though it takes ages to load the KDE environment. But I can't really remember any XFCE component *ever* crashing on me, not since Version 4, at least.
Then there's Gnome. It's kinda nice and ugly at the same time. The nice thing is that is that it works quite intuitively after installing and tries to "do the right thing" (opposed to KDE which tries hard to be as annoying as windoze by default) - nautilus stupidly complaining about wrong extensions being the noteworthy exception - and the apps are very stable, for me. But I find it extremely ugly to look at. Besides looking incerdibly retro, everything is _huge_. Gigantic, to be precise. The default Icon+Text button settings often need a 1600x1200 display with maximized windows to show :/ And while they try to be less geek than KDE with the millions of buttons, icons, side bars and stuff, there's simply too little configurability, even with gconf-editor. I simply can't get it to look my way. Plus, the thing changes half its behaviour with every new version, which is kinda annoying.
So, even if I try from time to time, I always fall back. The longest streak I ever used KDE was with 3.4.x lately, with about three months. Gnome's record was something as long as two months. Simply won't do. And, when I'm back, I'm always delighted by the incredible speed a desktop can have
So, generally I'm okay with seeing KDE and GNOME on some machines other than mine (like RHEL servers or the occasional Ubuntu installation). But my own workstations ... no
I need to get stuff done. I *do* like the stuff I do to look good. But KDE and GNOME both get in my way too often, unfortunately. _________________ "Failure is not an option!"
"Sir, we are out of further options." |
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Raftysworld Apprentice
Joined: 27 Feb 2005 Posts: 236 Location: Snohomish, WA
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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pjp wrote: |
2nd: KDE is no less a POS than Gnome. KDE sucks for different reasons than Gnome.
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I love how people (not just you, but the post you responded to and *many* others) can speak on behalf of the Linux world in saying that a certain Desktop Environment is a POS. I guess that freedom of opinion doesn't exist, I should give in and acknowledge that KDE and Gnome are POS's? It's subjective and as such we shouldn't make decisions on behalf of others on that. I happen to really like both KDE and Gnome.
As for the screenshot, it's hard to tell without truly being able to play with it. Has potential I'm sure, look forward to seeing more of these mockups. _________________ emerge --info
Portage 2.1.4 (default-linux/x86/dev/2007.1, gcc-4.2.2, glibc-2.7-r1, 2.6.24-gentoo i686) |
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