Mac Mini vs Pegasos

spamspam · Apprentice Joined: 05 Dec 2003 Posts: 153

I saw in this weeks GWN that both the Pegasos II system and the Mac Mini run Gentoo now. my question is: considering that they're nearly identical capabilities, why would anyone buy the Pegasos system instead of the Mac Mini?

You could get a Mac Mini and give $100 to the Gentoo foundation and still save money relative to the Pegasos.

chunderbunny · Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:52 pm Post subject:

I assume that the Pegasos comes with a monitor and keyboard which would bump the price up a bit. It also has a considerably faster hard drive. Also the Pegasos is officially supported by Gentoo, whereas Gentoo on a Mac Mini has been put together solely by Gentoo devs with no help from Apple.

Even so, I would still get a Mac Mini just because of its compactness and quietness.

someguy · Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject:

plus the macs are smaller heh

hence "Even so, I would still get a Mac Mini just because of its compactness and quietness."
i want one so bad i want a 10 unit cluster built out of them lol
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IvanHoe · l33t Joined: 05 Oct 2002 Posts: 658

As far as I can tell, the $775 price of the Pegasos II G4 is just the motherboard and processor. If you want a complete computer then it'll cost you ~$1500. That includes an ATI Radeon 9200 SE, 40GB drive and a whopping 256 megs of ram. Gee... wow. I could put together a PC that would make the Pegasos look like a toy for less.

Boris27 · Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:52 am Post subject:

Mac Mini. For OS X. I mean come on. An Unix with a good GUI.

What more do you want?
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someguy · Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:46 pm Post subject:

agreed
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Evangelion · Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject:

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Evangelion · Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:34 am Post subject:

Related to my earlier post: I'm pretty surprised (and shocked) that many Linux-users seem to think "OS X is Unix with pretty GUI. What more do you need?". Tell me: why were we using Linux again? It seems to me that quite many are using it to be "l33t". But now that we have OS X with that whiz-bang eye-candy, people are swithing to it becase "It's Unix with pretty GUI, it's all you need".

I don't know about you, but I do not use Linux because it's "unix with a good GUI". I use it because it gives me the control over my machine. I do not have to accept an EULA that has been designed from the ground-up to boost some corporations bottom-line. I choose a License that has been designed from the ground up to maximise my freedom and benefits. But hey, if eye-candy is all you care about, go right ahead and run OS X. I will buy Mini as well, and I will try out OS X (Hell, I still use W2K as well!). But that doesn't mean that I think it's any better than Windows is. Yes. OS X is technologically better and it's built on Unix. And Apple does support open-source projects. But the OS is still closed-source. It's closed-source, with pretty face, but it's still closed-source. I choose open-source over closed-source every time. I thought Microsoft teached us what it is like to be dependant on the whims of some corporation? Apparently not....

And before you say "But OS X is open source! Just look at Darwin!". Are you saying that if I run Darwin on my machine, I will have an OS that is identical to OS X? It has Quartz, Quartz Extreme, Core Image, Spotlight, Expose and all that? No? That's what I thought....
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spamspam · Apprentice Joined: 05 Dec 2003 Posts: 153

tsunam · Retired Dev Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 343

Gotta love people who are zealots who can't see a good thing when it hits them in the face. I didn''t used to be a fan of Apple, however a lot of their current direction is positive, including OS X. Purely on style and ease of use it puts most linux grapical enviroments to shame. There's no shame in that, its just the way it is and gnome and kde will continue to make strides to have the ease of use of the window managers under linux become easier to the point that grandma will use it and do everything they want it to do.

OS X did that, and did it well. As to people removing OS X and putting linux on it, I consider that a shame. A license shouldn't scare you away from something, it just is another zealot that its oss or bust. Thus avoiding the wonderful applications that corporations produce that are well worth the money you'll spend on it.

*puts on a flame resistent suit*

Edit: i forgot to mention one thing http://developer.apple.com/darwin/ Is open source so you can do have part of it being community driven.

Evangelion · Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:45 am Post subject:

The point of my rant was that people seem to use Linux because of the eye-candy. And now that we have OS X, we should use it since it has even more eye-candy. While eye-candy may be nice thing to have, is that REALLY the reason to choose a particular OS?

And OS X is not Open Source. Talking about Darwin does not change that fact.
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Evangelion · Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:03 pm Post subject:

I ordered my Mac Mini yesterday

. Waiting....
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Chaosite · Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject:

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Chaosite · Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject:

Yet, you were doing the exact same thing.

Oh well, never mind. Its not important enough to fight over.

lbrtuk · l33t Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 910

I know I was doing the same thing.

float- · Apprentice Joined: 31 Aug 2003 Posts: 174

as mac mini is cheaper, smaller and faster I would buy it over pegasus, unless I had much money to spend..

andrewlubinus89 · n00b Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 32

I use linux for the gui, actually. :p

I haven't seen anything like ionwm and it rocks.

HawkFB · n00b Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 25 Location: Tokyo, Japan

As a Mac mini and a Pegasos II user, I think the comparisons here are not fair.

First thing to note is that before Apple had the great idea of releasing a cheap Mac, the Pegasos has been there for years.

Then, about the Mac mini being cheaper. If you want the same specs in the Pegasos, it may be true. But the Pegasos is more open. I would like to use the gigabit network in my lab in the Mac mini. Tell me what should I do... Pegasos come with two network interfaces, 100MB and 1G! As well as several PCI slots. You can put a faster hard drive as well. And u can choose between a G4 or a G3. A G3 can work without fans (actually, the G4 too by decreasing the freq a bit), and u can use at as a cool server (as I do). Don't want a noisy Mac mini in my room at night.... (yeah, the mac mini is noisy! -- not as noisy as an AMD64-based computer though ;P )

About the Mac mini being faster; well, as I said, since the Pegasos is more open, u can get faster disks, or even change the CPU card. Hopefully, we may get a CPU card using the new dual-core G4 CPU from Freescale.

About the Mac mini being smaller... well, I love that

As well, as the design

BTW, of cos, I run Gentoo on both

Evangelion · Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Comparison?

lbrtuk · l33t Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 910

Evangelion · Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Comparison?