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1U · Guru Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Posts: 319

JediMaster... next time think before you post. I stated I'm having problems related to modules and hence I asked if it would be possible. I didn't force him to include it, it was just a quick suggestion/question. It wouldn't have hurt anyone and no way is it even closely related to windows. Imagine if Linus's job was taken over by 1337StarWarsJediPwner, the kernel would have 20 features for the basic support and then the rest you could emerge in 200 different modules. Full customization right? My second question was just a polite request for an estimate on the next version TOA. Neither of which were answered. I'm not even complaining about the drivers or release time of the next version, if you don't understand what my post was about then keep reading it over and over until you do. It's not the first time I've brought up the issue either.

Jedi Master · n00b Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Posts: 35

Dear 1U, you put it so brigh red and I feel to much anger in you - beware of Dark Side

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There are too many features that we would like to have - but that's the feature of free software. People do what they can - and what they want, we are not paying them to demand anything. If Tiger wants to develop a logo rather than working on the patch you need - that's his right. If you need the patch - and no developer is working on it for now - take a source and fit it yourself, or ask someone who can and will agree to do this work. That's seems fair -isn't it?

In fact it is not that simple - painting the logo is painting the logo - you sit down and do it. With driver or kernel feature it is not so easy - API changes, and with the experimental patches like nitro, when you get away from mainstream kernel, there is always a choice of which patches you need more - becouse one patch can easily change the API in the way, incompatible with the other one - and it will be the hell of a job to rework the broken feature. I used to do custom patchsets - actually the software I run is very demanding to sheduler, being more precise in works ONLY with staircase12 from Kon's set - and does not work neither with vanilla kernel or newer staircase13. And with new nitro's I have to do some tweaking - rolling sataircase back to 12.2 from 13. And believe me, that's not easy if you are not expert in schedulers. I am not - so I just look at .rej file and think - hey, looks like the change should go here!!! And then it;s taking chances - either I get good working kernel or - crash. Just a tip - so you will better understand that the thing you ask Tiger to do can just be above his knowledge. Not just because he is a lazy null dead beat developer - it is not the thing he can do. At least with the current release. What is in 2.6.15 - I don't know. Tiger does not work with the kernel until it is released - so what can he answer? P

So please don't get angry - just wait for next release. A lot of things are going to change there.

1U · Guru Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Posts: 319

You still don't get it. I'm not angry about the module, or the release cycle. The thing I'm angry about is that whenever I give ANY feedback to Tiger386 the nitro-sources developer, it's as if I'm talking to a wall. What's the deal? If he doesn't care then he should say so and then I won't waste any more time asking questions or providing suggestions/comments. If he does, then why can he reply to other posts but ignore mine every time? Before I used to report on anything interesting related to nitro-sources and ask questions, but now it seems pointless since I've never gotten a reply of any relevance. I'm not demanding support or anything, just simply pointing out the rudeness.

Tiger683 · Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:20 am Post subject:

b3cks · Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:29 pm Post subject:

enderandrew · l33t Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Posts: 731

I'm running Nitro Sources and I dig them. However, one of the main reasons I went with Gentoo was to learn and take a very hands-on approach to Linux. Some people love to tune their cars constantly. I'm that way with my computer.

Thusly now I'm trying to learn how to make my own patchset. You can have multiple kernels installed at any time, and I consider this a fun side-project. However, certain patches most definately conflict with one another. I've been experimenting with ways to try and rectify that.

I see wiggle is supposed to help, but I can't figure out how to use it properly.

What I currently do is the following:

Tiger683 · Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:06 pm Post subject:

I don't trust automated clash resolution, it sometimes introduces really nasty misbehaviour, and
in that case one would be better off if it didn't compile at all than malfunction...

If some patches conflict, i fire up 3 instances of editor : the file to get patched and both patches in them, plus a browser with online kernel docs,
and then look for a way to make both work as the authors intended it... involves some C-foo though..

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enderandrew · l33t Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Posts: 731

I know a little old-school C. I initially was doing just that. I'd open the file.c, file.orig, and file.rej and try to rectify the files manually. But I'm probably a yellow-belt at C-foo.

One of the big problems is that I'm trying to do something is probably fairly stupid and trying to get certain patches to play nice that may never play nice, such as the ck and mm patchsets. Just placing one on top of another will get me a couple hundred issues. When I examine most of them, they are redundant patches. My first method was simple to apple one patch at a time directly with:
patch -p1 -F5 -t -N < patch.patch > patch.log or patch -p1 -F5 -t -N --dry-run < patch.patch > patch.log

If it detects redundant patches, it will skip them and not apply them, but it still creates .rej files, and I spent forever manually going over all of them.

With interdiff, I'm hoping to clearn some of that up so there is less to manually clean after the fact.

Do you just use combinediff by itself when actually making a patchset from multiple patches? Or do you use a different tool?
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Tiger683 · Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:25 pm Post subject:

One step at a time... :wink:

Begin with the more important ones.
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SchAmane · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 11 Sep 2004 Posts: 107

Phlogiston · Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject:

1U · Guru Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Posts: 319

Tiger683, danke. See that wasn't so hard lol. I know you're busy, we all are. But it's not that time consuming to write a quick sentense or 2 sometimes.

Phlogiston, no time for games. All my free time is spent troubleshooting problems :lol:

still ironing out all the bugs with nforce4. And I've lost 130 gigs on a software raid1 after re-emerging nitro-sources (probably not related, but who knows).
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-408954-highlight-.html

Phlogiston · Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 1:03 am Post subject:

1U · Guru Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Posts: 319

Yep. But I use my home pc for everything, I don't buy music cds or even own a tv. Oh well, work and troubleshooting is all I get now but it will improve.

If someone who knows Reiser4 and software raid in linux could help me out in that thread I linked I would greatly appreciate it.

b3cks · Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:14 pm Post subject:

Anybody using VMWare under Nitro? It works but I've annoying irregular hardware freezes for some seconds and I don't know why. May while vmmon changes the clock rate!?
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Tiger683 · Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:24 pm Post subject:

b3cks · Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:15 pm Post subject:

Using VMWare Worksation 5.0.0. I think I have to live with this problem cause there aren't any log messages either. May 5.5.0 will work smoother.
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1U · Guru Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Posts: 319

I use vmware gsx without a problem. I have gotten hardware freezes but that's while running 2 virtual winblows 2003 times on my machnie so I'm not sure. If I run one at a time though I get absolutely no problems no matter what load it creates.

Make sure you have the following:

b3cks · Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject:

I've exactly that settings but I've still irregular freezes up to 5 seconds. But it's not wild cause I don't need to run VMWare often.
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Legoguy · Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject:

Is anyone else noticing mind-bogglingly slow CD ripping? I just got a new drive, DVD+-R/RW DVD+-R DL CD-R/RW (Lite-On SOHW-1693S) and it's horrendously slow ripping and awesomly fast burning. I'm about to try another kernel, but I just wanted to know if anyone else has the problem...

SchAmane · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 11 Sep 2004 Posts: 107

Legoguy · Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:09 am Post subject:

It's a brand new burner, 48x. I expect a bit more speed than 1x read. Thank you.
Might have found something related to the problem:
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/11/15/176

Tiger683 · Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:55 am Post subject:

Ok ladies, if Linus didn't lie, 2.6.15 final should show up sometime later today or tomorrow, which
means it's not worth doing a -rc release... stay tuned :wink:

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1U · Guru Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Posts: 319

Awesome

. I'm very optimistic that it will fix some of my nforce4 problems.

amne · Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:26 pm Post subject: