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Thx guys 
By this occasion, many thx to darckness(wherever he is now  ) , without him i wouldn't even start making nitro,
which actually made me join these forums at all (as a user at that time lol)
T
PS: anyone interested in enabling reiser4 metas(aka. files_as_directories) with a use-flag?
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I can't tell you about reiser4, because I'm not using it any longer.
Reiser4 sucks
I don't want to start a flame here, but that benchmark is intersting and also the comments here.
I know that the environment is very bad for reiser4 (only 500MHZ cpu), but all in all reiser4 seems to suck and i think it would not be much faster with a newer cpu, as you can see in the tests.
Looking forward to the new nitro 
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| I've ran reiser4 on a 233 mhz cpu before without a single problem and it was quite faster than a regular fs even on that. If you think it sucks and you don't want to start flame wars, why did you even post about it then? |
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| 1U wrote: | | I've ran reiser4 on a 233 mhz cpu before without a single problem and it was quite faster than a regular fs even on that. If you think it sucks and you don't want to start flame wars, why did you even post about it then? |
That was running throuh my head while posting, you are right But I think why not providing some interesting information. Ok this is probably not the right thread for this, but a lot of people using nitro are using reiser4, so why not.
Is it ok to talk here about reiser4?
So on what is your argumentation based? Just subjective noticifaction? Or did you do some benchmarks or that machine. Btw: I can't think reiser4 can really perform well on such an old machine (cpu) because it was designed to use cpu (which is most idle when big IO's are performed) to increase the performance. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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@Tiger
The patch I mentioned a page before concerning the SATA and suspend is no longer needed, as it is int git4 now:
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commit 9b847548663ef1039dd49f0eb4463d001e596bc3
tree 105a0eece522b1347bea57f609f6c04ed673fdb3
parent 88202a0c84e1951d6630d1d557d4801a8cc5b5ef
author Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de> Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:28:07 +0100
committer Linus Torvalds <torvalds@g5.osdl.org> Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:36:09 -0800
[PATCH] Suspend support for libata
This patch adds suspend patch to libata, and ata_piix in particular. For
most low level drivers, they should just need to add the 4 hooks to
work. As I can only test ata_piix, I didn't enable it for more
though.
Suspend support is the single most important feature on a notebook, and
most new notebooks have sata drives. It's quite embarrassing that we
_still_ do not support this. Right now, it's perfectly possible to
suspend the drive in mid-transfer.
Signed-off-by: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> |
But I hope you can include the fan control patch
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No it is not ok. This is not a thread to debate the Reiser4 file system. It's about nitro-sources itself and not just one of it's many features. Most people posting in this thread are satisfied with Reiser4 so if you don't like it you can join the majority of the gentoo community which hates it and go rant about it elsewhere.
Let's keep this from going off topic.
If you really feel the need to argue about it you can do so at threads like these:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-403312-highlight-.html (I'm not participating in that one any more, it's pointless) |
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Thanks for the link, I really like the thread!
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| Tiger683 wrote: | | PS: anyone interested in enabling reiser4 metas(aka. files_as_directories) with a use-flag? |
Weeelll.... how unstable is it? Extremely oder Very-Much-Thank-You-It'll-explode-in-2-seconds-extremely-extremely-dangerous? |
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hmm, let's leave it for now....
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Ok, the new nitro is almost there,
but as a big fat warning in advance:
THIS WILL BE AN EXPERIMENTAL AND UNSTABLE RELEASE
not because of any misbehaviour i noticed, but simply because of many many patches
which might show their claws right after the release, especially the ones from mm and the forthported ones (i'm not THAT l33t )
anyone happy with previous release will be encouraged to test it and report bugs, but don't expect another rockstable kernel __YET__ .
anyone experiment-happy will be well suited.
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Great to hear 
Let the crashing begin... |
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Experiment-happy is my middle name. At least it will be, pending the 20th.
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| Cinder6 wrote: | | Experiment-happy is my middle name. At least it will be, pending the 20th. |
Unless you loose all of your data, I didn't have fun experimenting with raid and a 230 gig partition  . |
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heh, I expect to lose all my data at some point. I don't look forward to it, though.
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Thanks for the link, always interesting to take a step back and make sure we're not living under misconceptions. I was quite shocked until I took a closer look and realised it was not at all rigourous and was run on hardware that makes it irrelevant for most people.
This was actually elaborated on in the comments link posts.
Dont confuse lots of tables and graphs with science just because scientists use graphs.
Just goes to show you cant believe everything you read!
I'm sure the kernel devs would not be working to incluse R4 if it was going backwards
One interesting thing it found in the posts:
| Quote: | The default behavior for both ext2 and ext3 is to reserve 5% of the disk space for root. You can see it in the section Creating the Filesystems from the article:
4883860 blocks (5.00%) reserved for the super user |
I recently had my system go unstable due to accidently (carelessly) downloading a large ISO into a directory on the root fs. This rendered the system useless when the disk got full. Luckily atomic writes saved the day.
It seems this has been anticipated and guarded against on ext3. Also means you waste 5% using ext3 (without -m option) on non-system partitions. Worth knowing about.
Tiger, have you given any more thought to including a 1.0.4 option?
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Gentree: I'm afraid this won't happen 
The vfs api and whatnot got very much changed since the last 1.0.4 compliant reiser4 patch, so chances are this wouldn't even patch,
not to mention compile and work.... I can try though, but don't blame me if it eats up all your data 
Either way, resheduled for next release (aka. stable i hope)
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OK , have fun getting the basics sorted out , that should keep you busy.
Thanks for the reply.
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