bash-3.1 - Don't go in the water!

dice · Guru Joined: 21 Apr 2002 Posts: 577

I think it's obvious that the real problem here is that people are rebooting their systems

PS: Good thing I saw this thread before I rebooted :twisted:

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UncleOwen · Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject:

For variing definitions of properly. Gentoos definition of properly for putting something in ~arch (roughly):
"Works for me, and I don't know of any breakage for others".

If you want more testing:
- do it yourself
- don't use ~arch.

crudh · Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject:

So, anyone got it to work correctly without downgrading? If so, can it be use-flag related?

PaulBredbury · Watchman Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7310

Having unfortunately watched this thread degenerate into another Apache, I would like to know, what kind of idiot upgrades bash (a rather crucial component) on its first day (or 2nd, depending on the timezone) of release into portage, as an unstable package, then feels justified to moan that this free software doesn't work perfectly? If it doesn't work perfectly, then you check the forums and bugzilla, then revert to the stable version, and get on with your lives. You don't moan about it, because it's free and comes with no warranty. You know how to recover from problems such as this easily, because otherwise you wouldn't be running an unstable bash.

You achieve nothing by annoying the devs and bleating to each other that someone other than yourselves should be inconvenienced. Feel free to do something constructive, like create a test script for acceptance of future versions of bash.

fury · n00b Joined: 01 May 2003 Posts: 34 Location: California

feardapenguin · Guru Joined: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 414 Location: Texas

PaulBredbury,

Everything you say is true (probably even the 'idiot' part), and I regret my last post. My apologies to the developer. Read my comments above and you'll see that I agree with everything you say about ~arch and those who choose to run it.

As I said above, I never intended to 'bash' anyone (excuse the pun). My comments regarding testing should be viewed from a strictly 'strategic' level. I'm a huge fan of gentoo and would like to see it mature into a serious enterprise system.

MerlinTheWizard · Apprentice Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Posts: 270

ciaranm · Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:27 pm Post subject:

tagwar · Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:43 pm Post subject:

Since there's a fight going on about how ~-stuff has to be tested or not, I'll add my 0,02... just to fill up this thread a little.. :-)

1.) I use Gentoo with and without ~x86.
2.) The machines running "stable" (not ~x86) haven't had any problems... never since I was done setting them up.
3.) I use ~x86 on my main machine and my laptop, which I updated this morning... bash included. After rebooting, I saw a lot of errors.
4.) So i did a "ifconfig eth0 up; dhcpcd eth0" to get my network up, fired up firefox, went to forums.gentoo.org and did a search on the error most of the init-scripts gave me. Found this thread and as I write this, bash-3.1 has been masked and emerge is downgrading it.

so... what we can see here is why I love gentoo.
1.) you have the choice between 2.) and 3.), if you want to use the bleeding edge, then it is more than normal, that things may break. And realy.. I'm impressed by the developers work, as problems like this bash thing are quite rare.
If you chose the stable way, you're probably going to be problem-free until worlds-end..
If you chose the ~x86, then, and this is one more thing that makes gentoo the best distribution I've ever used, you still have the forum and hell, you can get sooo much information out of it, it's almost unbelievable.

So, to do a roundup, although my laptop still doesn't know how to make me a coffee, I couldn't be much happier than with what the devs and the community has achieved so far. All of us, complain less, be happier. :-)

Greets

Tom

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HorsePunchKid · n00b Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 13 Location: Champaign, IL

ecatmur · Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:44 am Post subject:

If you're using a static IP:

HorsePunchKid · n00b Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 13 Location: Champaign, IL

ecatmur · Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:58 am Post subject:

Remember, the Gentoo initscripts aren't some sort of black magic -- they're running exactly the same commands that you'd have to run manually to get to the same state. (Of course, you only find out when the init scripts break...)
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HorsePunchKid · n00b Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 13 Location: Champaign, IL

Very good point, and something I will have to keep in mind in the future!
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romildo · n00b Joined: 01 Mar 2003 Posts: 45 Location: Brazil

wolfden · Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:28 pm Post subject:

Interesting thread and thank god someone knew the answer, now since I am one of the idiots that shouldn't be running ~x86 - I didn't know at the time I set it up that ~x86 was gonna break stuff. I just want stable, is it possible to go back to stable? I'm having my doubts that it probably isn't since in other distros it's not. I've been pretty fortunate and have only had an update break something here and there and was easy to fix with the help of the irc and forum.

Any advice?

ecatmur · Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:05 pm Post subject:

Your best bet would probably be to downgrade ACCEPT_KEYWORDS, but then don't downgrade actual packages - add all major and essential packages to package.keywords with a <= version specifier (so only the versions you have installed are affected), and wait for stable to catch up. Downgrading (especially toolchain) is likely to break things.
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ciaranm · Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject:

ecatmur · Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:37 pm Post subject:

Ooh, nice. Where's it being developed?
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ciaranm · Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:48 pm Post subject:

ecatmur · Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject:

Ah, thank goodness; sacrificing goats gives much better code than chickens.
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