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sewulba
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 Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject: how to make the G5 slower like in Tiger? |
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Hello...
1. Problem:
I would like to clock down my PowerMac Dual G5 under Gentoo. How do I make that? Under MacOS X tiger goes that!
2. Problem:
If I hear music in XMMS, one CPU stands by 99,9%. Then the fans go nearly to full speed. What is wrong with my XMMS? Has anyone the same Problem?
Maybe my CFLAGS in the make.conf is helpful!?!?
CFLAGS="-O2 -mcpu=G5 -mabi=altivec -maltivec"
Is that wrong? 
One further Information: I use the PPC64-32ul-Package!!! 
Sewulba
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corsair
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| Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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for the first problem: it is not yet possible to slow down G5 cpus. benh is working on implementing the code for this. could take some while though.
second problem: xmms works fine here, but I'm using 64ul. are you outputting the sound directly using alsa or are you using a sounddaemon like arts? you could also try out beep-media-player. |
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sewulba
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| corsair wrote: | for the first problem: it is not yet possible to slow down G5 cpus. benh is working on implementing the code for this. could take some while though.
second problem: xmms works fine here, but I'm using 64ul. are you outputting the sound directly using alsa or are you using a sounddaemon like arts? you could also try out beep-media-player. |
64ul was on my Mac before I used 32ul. By the 64ul I had the Problem with VIM! He works fine and wrote all data to the File. But with an error showing like segmentation fault. So I decided for 32ul. There the most thinks works fine. Only Streamtuner, Streamripper and XMMS won´ t work right. No errors by you with working in VIM?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| the vim problem is known. you could have either compiled vim with USE="-perl" or using a newer gcc version (>=gcc-4.0). |
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sewulba
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One last question on you CORSAIR! On 64ul, what Browser do you use? I have seen on www.gentoo.portage.com that only Mozilla is available for PPC64... No Firefox... And Mozilla is masked!!! 
I think that was the thing, so that I has installed PPC64-32ul. To get more programs, such like streamtuner and so on...
Maybe my CFLAGS was bad? I had a really unstable System. What CFLAGS do you use???
Sewulba
PS.: I make my System new. So I need information for deciding what UL (64 or 32) I want to use!!!
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corsair
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hi,
yea, mozilla and firefox are not yet available in 64bit userland 
the good thing is, that tgall (ppc64 project leader) is debugging as much as he can. The problem is that we don't know where the bad code is. maybe it is in toolchain, gcc or mozilla itself....
I am using konqueror on ppc64 at the moment. I am a fluxbox user, so this is not what I like to run, but it is currently the only useable brower. 
Did your G5 powered off? that was a problem with the kernel. see here or here for more details.
Regards,
Markus
EDIT: oh. and here are my CFLAGS="-O3 -pipe -mtune=970 -mcpu=970 -mabi=altivec" |
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sewulba
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:53 am Post subject: |
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Mozilla was not masked on PPC64-64ul and was able to compile for me!!!
NOW the Problem is, that Mozilla don´t work. I can start it, but not type in any Homepage-Adress!!! Why is Mozilla not masked???
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corsair
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: |
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mozilla is currently in the testing "branch" (i.e. ~ppc64). So don't expect anything to work 100% in that "branch".
take a look at bug #89418 and/or bug #101821
it should have been fixed *some* month ago, but the problem is a little bit tricky..
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| The 2.6.16 kernel (released today; vanilla-sources has it in ~ppc and ~ppc64, gentoo-sources isn't upgraded yet) has cpufreq support for the G5. If I understand this correctly, this will allow you to change the clock speed. |
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sewulba
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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That would be nice!!! If it works!!! 
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corsair
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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yes, it definetly works! I keyworded cpudynd ~ppc64 a few days ago. My dual 2ghz runs on dual 1.8ghz if it is not stressed. It would be nice if there would be even lower frequencies...
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sewulba
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Yeahhhhhhhhh!!!  Only by Vanilla-Kernel?
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sewulba
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Okay it ist also on Kernel 2.6.16-gentoo-r2... But I can`t see any affect on 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'... Is there any other posibillity to see wheather CPU i slowing down?
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corsair
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:11 am Post subject: |
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So you have kernel support enabled? i.e. you see something like this?
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G5 ~ # cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
2000000 1800000
G5 ~ #
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and you did something like this?
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G5 ~ # echo "sys-power/cpudyn" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords [i](if you are not running ~ppc64[/i]
G5 ~ # emerge cpudyn
G5 ~ # /etc/init.d/cpudynd start
G5 ~ # rc-update add cpudynd default
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after I did this I am getting this when the machine does nothing:
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G5 ~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
cpu : PPC970FX, altivec supported
clock : 1800.000000MHz
revision : 3.1 (pvr 003c 0301)
processor : 1
cpu : PPC970FX, altivec supported
clock : 1800.000000MHz
revision : 3.1 (pvr 003c 0301)
timebase : 33333333
machine : PowerMac7,3
motherboard : PowerMac7,3 MacRISC4 Power Macintosh
detected as : 336 (PowerMac G5)
pmac flags : 00000000
L2 cache : 512K unified
pmac-generation : NewWorld
G5 ~ #
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So try to find out if kernel support is done correctly and then check if cpudyn is running.
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sewulba
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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I run ~ppc64... When CPUDYN stopps it makes an error! Maybe it only works on ~ppc?!?!
Support in Kernel i right!!!
I think CPUDYNd is my Problem!
I got this...
| Code: | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
2700000 2000000 |
CPUDYN doesn't run correct by me!
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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hmm.. maybe your powermac is not yet supported correctly. could you try to set the frequency manualy? (something like "echo 2000000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/*some file I don't recall*" should do it)
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sewulba
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know the file, too!
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corsair
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:52 am Post subject: |
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this is what I can do to verify that cpu scaling works on the kernel side:
the important step is "echo 1800000 > scaling_max_freq" and "cat scaling_cur_freq" (put in the lower value from scaling_available_frequencies instead of 1800000)
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G5 ~ # /etc/init.d/cpudyn stop
* Stopping cpudynd ... [ ok ]
G5 ~ # cd /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
G5 cpufreq # cat scaling_cur_freq
2000000
G5 cpufreq # echo 1800000 > scaling_max_freq
G5 cpufreq # cat scaling_cur_freq
1800000
G5 cpufreq # cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
cpu : PPC970FX, altivec supported
clock : 1800.000000MHz
revision : 3.1 (pvr 003c 0301)
processor : 1
cpu : PPC970FX, altivec supported
clock : 1800.000000MHz
revision : 3.1 (pvr 003c 0301)
timebase : 33333333
machine : PowerMac7,3
motherboard : PowerMac7,3 MacRISC4 Power Macintosh
detected as : 336 (PowerMac G5)
pmac flags : 00000000
L2 cache : 512K unified
pmac-generation : NewWorld
G5 cpufreq # echo 2000000 > scaling_max_freq
G5 cpufreq # cd
G5 ~ # /etc/init.d/cpudyn start
* Starting cpudynd ... [ ok ]
NOW DOING SOMETHING CPU INTENSIVE FROM ANOTHER CONSOLE
G5 ~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
cpu : PPC970FX, altivec supported
clock : 2000.000000MHz
revision : 3.1 (pvr 003c 0301)
processor : 1
cpu : PPC970FX, altivec supported
clock : 2000.000000MHz
revision : 3.1 (pvr 003c 0301)
timebase : 33333333
machine : PowerMac7,3
motherboard : PowerMac7,3 MacRISC4 Power Macintosh
detected as : 336 (PowerMac G5)
pmac flags : 00000000
L2 cache : 512K unified
pmac-generation : NewWorld
G5 ~ #
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could you do the same and tell me how far you get? or that is to say what does work and what does not.
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sewulba
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Okay... If I say to System:
| Code: | | echo 2000000 > cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq && echo 2000000 > cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq |
Then it works and set the speed to both CPUs to 2GHz...
If I type in Konsole:
| Code: | | /etc/init.d/cpudyn status |
I got an 'started'
If I want to stop them I got:
| Code: | /etc/init.d/cpudyn stop
* Stopping cpudynd ... [ [color=red] !![/color] ] |
So I think Cpudyn don't work correct under PPC64-64ul!
A futher error I got on starting /etc/init.d/clock start
It says:
| Code: | | * Failed to set system clock to hardware clock |
What is that? I never had that!
Sew
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