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 Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: hotplug/coldplug modules frmly in /etc/modules.autoload.d |
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Based on the etc-update of the most recent baselayout (~x86), I removed entries from my /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 file. The location of equivalent config files for hotplug and coldplug are not clear to me. How do I get hotplug and coldplug to take care of these modules, ensuring their availability?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I would like to know as well. Is it simply a matter of ensuring that coldplug is started in the rc boot runlevel and hotplug in the default? Most of the installation documentation I've seen in the past seemed to indicate to put coldplug in default, but that didn't seem to detect and load the network driver in time to ensure that network services such as sshd were started correctly. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Agreed, for me it was:
nvidia
bc
subfs
I 'spose as long as I don't reboot until someone tries I'll be ok 
If I do reboot and it doesn't work I will have to modprobe them I 'spose. But just in case I'll let someone else be the guinea-pig.
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dgaffuri
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:07 am Post subject: |
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It refers only to network modules, so don't remove other stuff from autoload; add coldplug to boot level, hotplug init script is not needed and you may remove it from any level.
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glowworm
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| dgaffuri wrote: | | It refers only to network modules, so don't remove other stuff from autoload; add coldplug to boot level, hotplug init script is not needed and you may remove it from any level. |
Then why does the header say:
| Code: | # This file should only be used to load modules that are essential to the
# mounting of local partitions, such as RAID controllers.
# Coldplug or similar should be used to load the rest of the modules |
In my case nvidia, subfs and bc are not essential to load partitions.
If Coldplug is meant to load the rest of the modules which conf file do we specify the modules in?
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| glowworm wrote: | | If Coldplug is meant to load the rest of the modules which conf file do we specify the modules in? |
None, coldplug will load modules based on the hardware it detects by scanning buses. Just add the init script to boot runlevel. Anyway modules like ppp_mppe, which are not directly related to hardware, must still go in autoload. AFAIK the only modules that trigger a service satrt are the network ones, but I may be wrong.
| Code: | # WARNING: It is dangerous to put modules here which will cause hotplug to
# start services, for example network driver modules. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| dgaffuri wrote: | | coldplug will load modules based on the hardware it detects by scanning buses. |
Thanks for the clarification. I think the header should be modified to be a little more clear on this. As it currently reads; all modules except for disk controllers should be removed. This is clearly not the case.
Just did a reboot and my three modules are *not* reloaded. While subfs and bc are understandably not linked to hardware nvidia is. In this case nvidia was not loaded by coldplug.
Keeping in mind:
| Code: | # WARNING: It is dangerous to put modules here which will cause hotplug to
# start services, for example network driver modules. |
As none of these three modules start hotplug services I have put the modules back in autoload and after rebooting again everything has returned to normal.
Edit: Looks like this could be the bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118419
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| glowworm wrote: | | I think the header should be modified to be a little more clear on this. As it currently reads; all modules except for disk controllers should be removed. This is clearly not the case |
Agreed.
| dgaffuri wrote: | | hotplug init script is not needed and you may remove it from any level |
dgaffuri, could you expand on hotplug just a little? Do you mean that hotplug is not need specifically in the instance of loading modules? Or do you mean that it's not needed in general, under most circumstances, at all? I thought hotplug was responsible for loading drivers such as usb mice, for example, plugged in after the system is already completely up and running?
Anyways, thanks very much for clearing things up for me on coldplug/modules.autoload! |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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@glowworm
Strange, my nvidia module is loaded fine during boot.
@immudium
I meant that the hotplug init script, /etc/init.d/hotplug, is empty and is not needed in any runlevel
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#
# nothing here anymore. Please use the coldplug package if you really want to
# load modules for devices that are discovered by your kernel before init runs.
#
# However, please realize that if you have any problems, the developers
# recommend just using the modules.autoload functionality to handle this in a
# much simpler manner.
#
# Comments, flames, and fine beer should be directed at gregkh@gentoo.org
#
....
start () {
# just verify that people build their kernel with hotplug support.
if [ ! -f /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug ] ; then
eerror "CONFIG_HOTPLUG not enabled for this kernel!"
return 1
fi
# This unpacks any firmware tarballs. Used for LiveCD.
if [ -e /lib/firmware.tar.bz2 ]
then
ebegin "Unpacking hotplug firmware"
tar xjf /lib/firmware.tar.bz2 -C /lib/firmware
eend 0
fi
} |
The way hotplug works is a little tricky, and depends on your system configuration. First, you need hotplug to use coldplug. The /sbin/hotplug script (and some of the scripts and conf files in /etc/hotplug directory) is invoked by the coldplug init scripts (/etc/hotplug/*.rc) for devices discovered while scanning buses. In turn /sbin/hotplug run the .hotplug scripts found in /etc/hotplug.d
| Code: | # ls -l /etc/hotplug.d/default/
total 4
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Dec 23 17:56 10-udev.hotplug -> ../../../sbin/udevsend
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Jan 4 01:18 20-hal.hotplug -> /usr/libexec/hal.hotplug
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2931 Nov 27 22:44 default.hotplug
# equery b /etc/hotplug.d/default/*
[ Searching for file(s) ... ]
sys-fs/udev-079 (/etc/hotplug.d/default/10-udev.hotplug -> ../../../sbin/udevsend)
sys-apps/hal-0.5.5.1-r3 (/etc/hotplug.d/default/20-hal.hotplug -> /usr/libexec/hal.hotplug)
sys-apps/hotplug-20040923-r1 (/etc/hotplug.d/default/default.hotplug) |
The default.hotplug script also uses configuration files and scripts in /etc/hotplug to perform actions.
Hotplug setup happens in /lib/rcscripts/addons/udev-start.sh, which in turn is invoked by /sbin/rc
| Code: | # Setup hotplugging (if possible)
ebegin "Setting up proper hotplug agent"
if [[ -e /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug ]] ; then
if [ "$(get_KV)" -gt "$(KV_to_int '2.6.14')" ] ; then
einfo " Using netlink for hotplug events..."
echo "" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug
elif [[ $(udev_version) -ge "48" ]] ; then
einfo " Setting /sbin/udevsend as hotplug agent ..."
echo "/sbin/udevsend" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug
elif [[ -x /sbin/hotplug ]] ; then
einfo " Using /sbin/hotplug as hotplug agent ..."
else
einfo " Setting /sbin/udev as hotplug agent ..."
echo "/sbin/udev" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug
fi
fi
eend 0 |
As you see the way hotplug works depend on kernel, baselayout and udev versions (I have 2.6.15 kernel, baselayout-1.12.0_pre14 and udev-079). With udev >= 48 udevsend is used as hotplug agent (except for 2.6.15 which uses the new direct netlink mechanism), and in turn invoke hotplug actions. This is from /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules
| Code: | # be backward compatible for a while with the /etc/dev.d and /etc/hotplug.d/ systems
# run /etc/hotplug.d/ stuff only if we came from a hotplug event, not for udevstart
ENV{UDEVD_EVENT}=="1", RUN+="/sbin/udev_run_hotplugd"
# always run /etc/dev.d/ stuff for now.
RUN+="/sbin/udev_run_devd" |
Hope this may help to clarify a little (I don't pretend to be completely accurate, but just to give an idea).
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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dgaffuri:
Oh wow! What a terrific explanation. Thank You. I never realised that hotplug was so interdependent among so many various components. I always had such a basic, naive understanding of it all. I really appreciate the effort. This thread is definitely going in my favorites list. I'm sure I'll be referring to it quite often in the future. |
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If Gentoo is about choices, how do I choose what modules are loaded at boot???
I mean, I have 3 NICs in my PC each one with different IP/MASK/ROUTE.
I really don't want all of them to start at boot because my networking is then
screwed up. I use certain NICs depending wheter I'm at home doing NAT,
at work or at the customers office. Is it possible to use any other (or my own)
init script to modprobe modules I want and disable coldplug to do that?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| ScRaTcHi wrote: | If Gentoo is about choices, how do I choose what modules are loaded at boot???
I mean, I have 3 NICs in my PC each one with different IP/MASK/ROUTE.
I really don't want all of them to start at boot because my networking is then
screwed up. I use certain NICs depending wheter I'm at home doing NAT,
at work or at the customers office. Is it possible to use any other (or my own)
init script to modprobe modules I want and disable coldplug to do that? |
That's what I'd like to know, too.
I just have a wireless and a wired interface and I do not want coldplug to automatically load the modules for the wireless interface. I want to explicitly tell the system when I want it to create a wireless connection (by means of ACPI and Fn-F5 on my laptop) and certainly don't want it to drain battery power when there is no intention (or possibility) to connect wirelessly. I don't care about the wired interface; its module (the e1000) may be loaded by coldplug, no problems with that (although ideally the module would only get loaded if I put a cable in the wired connector, but that the Chicken-and-Egg thing again, right?).
But coldplug autoloading anything wireless without knowing if I even want to use the wireless interface seems stupid to me.
Is there any way to accomplish this, other than dropping the use of coldplug again and going back to using /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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So today I emerged the new baselayout. I did an etc-update after that, which in turn did something automatically. The rest of the files which it did not do automatically were checked by me one by one. So I rebooted and my USB mouse did not work.
After reading the dmesg, I checked /etc/modules.autoload.d. It was empty!
So I did modprobe ohci-hcd and ehci-hcd. Now the mouse works again.
I had these two modules amongst others loaded in the /etc/modules.autoload.d before. Is there an other way more preferred way of loading these modules?
Why was the file overwritten? |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| ScRaTcHi wrote: | | I have 3 NICs in my PC each one with different IP/MASK/ROUTE. I really don't want all of them to start at boot because my networking is then screwed up. I use certain NICs depending wheter I'm at home doing NAT, at work or at the customers office. Is it possible to use any other (or my own) init script to modprobe modules I want and disable coldplug to do that? |
| daff wrote: | | I just have a wireless and a wired interface and I do not want coldplug to automatically load the modules for the wireless interface. I want to explicitly tell the system when I want it to create a wireless connection (by means of ACPI and Fn-F5 on my laptop) and certainly don't want it to drain battery power when there is no intention (or possibility) to connect wirelessly. |
If you don't want to load your NIC modules at boot then surely they're not in modules.autoload.d, and you already have an alternative way to load them when needed. Nobody is forcing you to use coldplug in this case, just go on with your current scripts. If on the other hand you've modules in autoload then you should remove them and either use coldplug, which will load them at safe time, later during boot, or again use an alternative method.
With baselayout 1.12 (don't know if hotplugging is enabled in 1.11) if you use cold/hotplug and don't want NICs autostart on module loading you may set
| Code: | | hotplug_<iface>="no" |
in /etc/conf.d/net.
Personally (for completely different reasons, I use coldplug but my laptop won't reboot with the ipw2200 module loaded) I have this in /etc/conf.d/net
| Code: | preup() {
if [[ "${IFACE}" == "eth1" ]] && ! interface_exists "${IFACE}" ; then
/sbin/modprobe ipw2200
fi
return 0
}
postdown() {
if [[ "${IFACE}" == "eth1" ]] ; then
/sbin/modprobe -r ipw2200
fi
return 0
} |
so that module loading and unloading is accomplished by /etc/init.d/net.eth1 start or stop. Of course it works because my wired eth0 is always loaded, so that I'm sure that eth1 is the wireless one, and you may need to elaborate on this to handle different NICs.
BTW, our devs are working on the "autoload is too early with hotplug" issue, see updated status of the already pointed to bug.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| dgaffuri wrote: | | ScRaTcHi wrote: | | I have 3 NICs in my PC each one with different IP/MASK/ROUTE. I really don't want all of them to start at boot because my networking is then screwed up. I use certain NICs depending wheter I'm at home doing NAT, at work or at the customers office. Is it possible to use any other (or my own) init script to modprobe modules I want and disable coldplug to do that? |
| daff wrote: | | I just have a wireless and a wired interface and I do not want coldplug to automatically load the modules for the wireless interface. I want to explicitly tell the system when I want it to create a wireless connection (by means of ACPI and Fn-F5 on my laptop) and certainly don't want it to drain battery power when there is no intention (or possibility) to connect wirelessly. |
If you don't want to load your NIC modules at boot then surely they're not in modules.autoload.d, and you already have an alternative way to load them when needed. Nobody is forcing you to use coldplug in this case, just go on with your current scripts. If on the other hand you've modules in autoload then you should remove them and either use coldplug, which will load them at safe time, later during boot, or again use an alternative method.
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Thanks for your ansewr! Of course, you are right, but ...
Using modules.autoload.d I can make sure the module for the wired ethernet adapter is loaded every time when booting, but the module for the wireless link is loaded only when I do it manually (Fn-F5). This seems not possible with coldplug as far as I understand because it will load the modules for every possible NIC.
| dgaffuri wrote: |
With baselayout 1.12 (don't know if hotplugging is enabled in 1.11) if you use cold/hotplug and don't want NICs autostart on module loading you may set
| Code: | | hotplug_<iface>="no" |
in /etc/conf.d/net.
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This seems to work fine, however it is also not what I need. The interface is not started (i.e. it does not try to associate with any wireless LAN) but the modules are still loaded, which means the wireless card is still swichted on and broadcasting, thus draining power until I unload the module manually.
Apart from preup and predown/postdown functions (which I am not sure would really help in such a situation) there is no way to tell hotplug to not load a specific module?
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| daff wrote: | | Using modules.autoload.d I can make sure the module for the wired ethernet adapter is loaded every time when booting, but the module for the wireless link is loaded only when I do it manually (Fn-F5). This seems not possible with coldplug as far as I understand because it will load the modules for every possible NIC. |
What I was suggesting is to put your wired NIC module in autoload and set hotplug="no" in /etc/conf.d/net, without using coldplug.
| daff wrote: | | This seems to work fine, however it is also not what I need. The interface is not started (i.e. it does not try to associate with any wireless LAN) but the modules are still loaded, which means the wireless card is still swichted on and broadcasting, thus draining power until I unload the module manually. |
Don't put module in autoload.d and load it in your scripts, the preup stuff make scripts easier, module is loaded when you run /etc/init.d/net.<iface> start.
I've not tried this, so I may be wrong.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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modules i found don't get loaded unless i explicitly put them in kernel-2.6 include:
ide_cd
ide_scsi
psmouse
lp
sg
all others i used to load explicitly (below) i have now commented out as per the recommendations. they all get loaded at boot:
ehci_hcd
uhci_hcd
nvidia
bcm4400
bttv
i used to include fuse in kernel-2.6, but now i will simply let explicit fuse mount requests load it as needed.
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Weird that your finds the ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd modules since mine did not. I have to load them from kernel-2.6.
Also I have snd-emu10k1 loaded in kernel-2.6. If I don't have it there alsa loads it after my usb phone. I have the snd-emu10k1 defined as card0 (default device) in alsa, but for some reason the usb phone takes it's place. |
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I think since I now have a usb device that is always powered on hanging off the usb bus when
I boot, the ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd entries get loaded automatically. I am fairy sure that, were I to
turn off that device and reboot, those guys wouldn't get loaded (that's why I put them in kernel-2.6
in the first place). I also had to put the bttv entry back in kernel-2.6 because otherwise bttv loads
without the card= and tuner= parameters and the tv card isn't set properly. That kernel-2.6 file is
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