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zephyr1256
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| port001 wrote: | | Quote: | | But then who among the dual booters out there has ever paid a cent to MS? |
I bet those who did are kicking themselves now they found Gentoo which is FREE! |
Hmm, I can get all sorts of MS stuff(OS, Visual Studio) for free at school through the MSNDNAA(or however it is spelled), but then only if I need it for a class, and of course, I only use it if I DO have to have it for a class(thankfully, not this semester). |
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nerdbert
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2003 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| port001 wrote: | | Quote: | | But then who among the dual booters out there has ever paid a cent to MS? |
I bet those who did are kicking themselves now they found Gentoo which is FREE! |
I guess this question is far more interesting. I strongly support microsofts copy protection efforts. Just guess what would happen when everybody would really be forced to buy winxp in order to use it 
[edit] Im eager to hear more about TCPA and all the drm stuff. It should be really costy to maintain a winxp installation and m$ should be well informed about all the porn on everybodys hd. That should really make the difference for the average PC user.
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green sun
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| nerdbert wrote: | | port001 wrote: | | Quote: | | But then who among the dual booters out there has ever paid a cent to MS? |
I bet those who did are kicking themselves now they found Gentoo which is FREE! |
I guess this question is far more interesting. I strongly support microsofts copy protection efforts. Just guess what would happen when everybody would really be forced to buy winxp in order to use it |
Well, the thing with M$ is the bundling.. users don't even know they are paying for it when it just comes pre-installed on the machine.
I've really only seen an end user bundling initiative from Lindows... |
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nerdbert
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I dont know... guess its hard to define what actually belongs to a modern OS...
besides the perspective for a normal win user is totally different compared to ours... I mean we have a real choice and everything is free as in free beer. Dont get me wrong - I dont like the redmont campus, but I also dont like companies which make profit out of windows basic lack of functionality
I would also like to mention that if the average user would know what they are paying for they wouldnt pay M$
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gigel
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if linux it's gonna cost money,than the only thing that i could do is writing my own OS..even if it would only detect system memory or smth
..on 2nd thought,i think i would by it..but depending on the price
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wHAcKer
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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I would donate, but not pay!
i LOVE free software and it's ideals and toughts. THAT's why i run ONLY linux. If i'd had to pay i'd switch to freebsd... |
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kraylus
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| port001 wrote: | | Quote: | | But then who among the dual booters out there has ever paid a cent to MS? |
I bet those who did are kicking themselves now they found Gentoo which is FREE! |
i've paid for my copy of xp because i need it for professional activities (professional meaning i get paid to do it). i'm not comfortable with the idea of using pirated software for commercial reasons. i hear alot of people get burned for that.
i personally like windows XP and find it to be very useful for more things than one. i still see linux (gentoo especially) as a hobby rather than an OS that can actually help me get any work done. and yes, i've tried all the office alternatives, they're worthless.
in any case, if linux usage would require money, then forget about it. unless of course that money was being put to good use and better software and hardware support was being worked on. i would kill for something with linux's speed and stability, but with a microsoft-like hcl. would be nice to be able to plug in new hardware without having to think about it 
for those who don't know, i'm very very against pirated software. i don't even download music. there's no gray area. if you don't have enough money, don't do it. there's no good excuse for stealing, none whatsoever. even if you were stealing from satan himself.
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paranode
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| kraylus wrote: | | ...even if you were stealing from satan himself. |
You do mean Bill, right?
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kraylus
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| paranode wrote: | | kraylus wrote: | | ...even if you were stealing from satan himself. |
You do mean Bill, right? |
yeah, i figured someone would say that. no, i didn't actually mean bill 
it was a metaphor. i was trying to say that i don't care how bad you think the corporation you're stealing from is, or how much money you think they make, stealing from them is wrong.
"pfff, it's ok, they make millions, they won't notice a lil guy like me stealing from 'em."
not true. when a million other people (the numbers are far greater than that i'm sure but for simplicities sake) have that same train of thought, and at 150 bucks a piece for windows software (xp home), that begins to add up. about $150,000,000 USD.
and people just don't steal from microsoft. they steal from everyone. they pirate windows software and then wonder why the price of software is so bloody expensive. they wonder why their favourite software company that they've been stealing from all this time just went out of business.
but anyhoo, this is way off topic. just to prevent lockage... i wouldn't pay for linux unless i knew my money was going to further the development.
ryan
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panserg
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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I agree to pay for Linux-related services (consulting, support) or for "enterprise" versions of some Linux distributions or applications. But I think Linux itself (as well as its typical free distros: Gentoo, Slack, Debian and LFS) must stay free.
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Logically, I agree to pay for projects which pay to developers directly (like salary, bonus). But if developers write the code and don't get any money for it - that software must stay free of charge. |
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Krookednek
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I wouldnt want SCO to get a cent of my money, I wouldnt mind donating if I had a stable income but I dont think they deserve the cash. Hopefully it will be irrelevant and they will lose and die a painful death.
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zephyr1256
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| kraylus wrote: |
not true. when a million other people (the numbers are far greater than that i'm sure but for simplicities sake) have that same train of thought, and at 150 bucks a piece for windows software (xp home), that begins to add up. about $150,000,000 USD.
and people just don't steal from microsoft. they steal from everyone. they pirate windows software and then wonder why the price of software is so bloody expensive. they wonder why their favourite software company that they've been stealing from all this time just went out of business.
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I'm not advocating stealing, but I really don't think software such as the latest Windows version(or any other proprietary software) is highly priced because of software piracy. Proprietary software is priced to maximize profits. The price you pay is not affected by piracy, although it can certainly affect the amount of piracy.
If you are in the shoes of a small, struggling software company, do you jack up prices because you *know* you are *losing* profits to software pirates? Assuming your prices were already set to produce maximum profits, raising prices would be counterproductive, and disengenious at best, a poor business decision that would make fewer honest people willing to buy your product, and likely increase the rate of piracy. The result would be that your profits decrease or your losses increase.
I would be remiss if I did not mention that the potential costs that piracy in general adds, that of developing methods to combat piracy(such as CD-keys, or activation procedures), did not play a role. However, generally, I think this can be modeled as a fixed, one time cost for a given software title(or possibly across many titles by a single publisher). The reason this does NOT affect the price you pay as a consumer, is that demand for a product is independent of the cost to produce the product.
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GXTi
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 12:38 am Post subject: |
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hahahaha duh i would pay for linux
its so great i would pay anyway...at least i would for gentoo(not deadrat)
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Woofles
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I don't mind paying companies like RedHat, they got me started and was well worth the money! However a company like SCO is just a wannabe Microsoft, so I wouldn't ever pay for it if SCO was behind it!
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scott_ell
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I'll pay for Linux when they pry it from my cold dead hand... or something.
Actually, I would just move to Hurd or *BSD if necessary. |
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axxackall
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| I have already paid for the mag and t-shirt of gentoo. Does it count? |
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itay
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sure i do, but only if all the sourcecode will stay GPL and i'll only donate...
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BawheeD
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I'd happly pay for a distro, which i have done (Red Hat 6), I see that as being no different to the copys of Windows98SE/Windows2000/Windows XP that I also purchased, but paying for the linux kernel just doesnt fit my interpretation of open source.
If tomrow SCO announced that i have to pay to use linux, i'd switch back to FreeBSD. My first fulltime switch to *nix was to FreeBSD, I moved to linux for a driver about 6 months later. I hated installing software on linux, the deps drove me mad and everytime i tried to cheet and do a "full install" of a distro like red hat or mandrake the machine would be slow as f**k - I missed the ports system. As you can probabbly guess Gentoo fits quite nicely in this situtation.
But anyway, forgive me if im wrong, but when SCO show which parts of the kernel source are "theirs" will the courts not just tell Linus to write them out and case dismissed? |
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craftyc
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I don't think I'll ever pay for Linux. The source code of the kernel will always be around, so I would just compile Linux from that.
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spekulatius
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no i wont pay, for sure. lets think about linux and why it was written. it was written because a _student_ hadnt had the money to afford a commercial unix. it has developed as a free implementation and there are enough people caring about it to be free in future.
it is not only the reason to use linux because it doesnt cost a cent, it is the thought behind it. it is idealism.
i switched to gentoo not because any of the previous reasons. i switched because i disliked using lfs for a productivity system. i have the strong urge (as a developer) to allways have newest libraries available and need to recompile very often. this ease you only get with gentoo.
i can test libraries in terms of stability now more easy, i can down and upgrade in a couple of minutes. for special purposes i then build my own special implemention from scratch, for example routers and things to let them boot from thumbdrives and do nothing else than nat. this only as an example.
further i think people who would pay for linux still have not understood what it means to use linux. as i said before, it is idealism. we dont want to copy another os, or emulate it, we want to have alternatives. if your only afford is to have a box running like windows but without windows, i have to say you have failed your job. you have learned nothing. probably you think to benefit from speed and stability, but thats all.
linux wants to be growing and strong counterpart to any comercial implementation of unix, allthough i have to admit that it not allways succeeds. but if it gets the right attention (hear me, "right"), it will harden, as you like to name it. it needs testing and willing testers.
finally, if youre crying about instability of windows products and that you have to pay for such a thing, why would you pay for linux? think about it. you can pay thousands of dollars for a hardened, commercial unix. but wouldnt it be unfair to let people pay for something not completely bugfree?
i dont want to say linux is not usable. dont get me wrong. linux is pretty stable, probably more than other desktop systems. but it is worthless to discuss stabilty with many detailed examples, you need a system thats stable for your tasks. if everyone has such a stable system, then the whole thing will merge to the allround-stable-system.
help testing by using bugzilla for example, and stop crying. dont pay for it. help to be part of a mass fighting for free software thats gets more and more able to overcome commercial products. thats your aim. if it isnt, stop using linux and pay. last thing not for linux.
thanks for your patience and audience.
greetings.
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Mystilleef
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:41 pm Post subject: Pay sure, why not... |
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I will not pay the likes of SCO, Redhat, SUSE or MANDRAKE. However, I will be more than willing to financially support certain projects, in particular Gentoo, KDE, KOffice and GCC. I'm sure I'm forgeting several other projects that have astoundingly impressed me.
So let's just say it depends. If there is an operating system I'm willing to pay for, I'll go all out to purchase a high end MAC system. The keyword here is not pay it is voluntarily support. I will not pay for Linux, but I'll financially, socially, politically and economically support it.
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TenPin
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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I would gladly pay a distro group like Gentoo for its distribution and I would quite happily pay per download of the kernel sources. I would still like to see it all kept "free" but on the other hand, we have a duty to see that no *good* free software projects go bust because of a funds shortage and afaik this rarely happens.
What I care about is that I can have the source under the GPL.
What drives me nuts about windows is not being able to get anywhere near the root of problems and being confined to the way of doing things that some birdbrain crackpot M$ developer decided was "user friendly".
In the words of some /. poster:
"Program files" is forgivable but what in Gods name possesed them to use "Documents and Settings/Username/Application Data/" ? I mean what the £$%£ !. What the £$%£-ity £$%£ £$%£ !.
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pYrania
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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there would be an inner conflict about paying for something that is open source.
so.. no.
no i won't.
and if this would lead to the point, where i have to develop my own operating system, i guess i would give it a go. people before me have done it, so why shouldn't i do? 
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you may have to pay to use linux... *points at recent news on linuxtoday.com*
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| TheCoop wrote: | | you may have to pay to use linux... *points at recent news on linuxtoday.com* |
Here's a link to the full article on internetnews.com.
I personally have paid for a copy of SuSE before, but I don't like the idea of being required to pay. SuSE got into this arena by saying that they would provide it for free if you did an FTP install or you could pay for their CD/DVD install with several nice printed manuals. So in theory, you can get a copy of SuSE without being forced to pay, but that's the much harder way.
Now having said all that, I thought it was well worth the money for the DVD with all the SuSE packages on it as well as their nice printed manuals. I hope I can say the same for the Gentoo CDs, which I intend to purchase. I have mentioned before that it would be really awesome if Gentoo were to release a DVD with 'current' sources for as many packages as they can fit on the DVD. This would save a lot of time in downloading sources. Also, the Gentoo Linux documentation is excellent and a nicely printed hard copy of that would be a welcome addtion to a release.
I just don't want to see this become a road leading directly to a SuSE-style arm twisting purchase where you have another option that is painful. As long as they continue to release iso's for the livecds online, I'll be very happy. Happily, this is a major focus of the Gentoo Dev team given the commitment to the Social Contract that I've seen out of every dev I've spoken to. More proof that this is a major concern of the devs can be found on the Gentoo Linux Store's Social Contract. So if anyone has similar concerns about Gentoo, please reat assured that things are going to be fine. It's not just something that you and I are concerned about, but also something the people in charge are concerned about.
As for the whole SCO issue...
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