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just a quick question because im confused...
is conrad 1.0.0 not better/faster (for ~x86 at least) because it uses gcc4.1 and not 4.0.3?
or is the only difference the ~amd64 support?
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1.5 of the Conrad Installation Guide is more stable than the previous 1.0.x which contained gcc4.1. Gcc4.1 does have problems at times because it is a beta version of the package. If you wish to use gcc4.1 the new Dev Edition is available, however it is not completed at this time as it is just posted for overview and testing by me. Gcc 4.0.3 which is included here is much faster than the 4.0.2 version according to Conrad and if you want to have a 99% chance of a successful system I recommend this verison of the guide.
However to answer your question, the 1.0.x and 1.5 are completely different in a few senses. For one all the extra LSANE, PSANE, etc options are gone. The toolchain rebuild is different now to include more of it. And a new make.conf which has better optimization. There is alot more but this is the general bit that was changed. |
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| Just realized as I was working on my guide that I had to add a step to do emerge --metadata. When you use portage 2.1.x the metadata file layout changes a bit. So after you rebuild the toolchain the first time you need to run a emerge --metadata. (Atleast according to the einfo when emerging it.) |
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| p4r0l3 wrote: | Hey buttons, I had that same sysinit problem the first time I booted after the install....but rebooting fixed it and everything booted fine....(~x86)  |
Unfortunately repeated reboots and reinstalls produce the same error, though occasionally the boot services do start (never those in default, however).
I have also tried masking everything not needed to make gcc-4.0.3 work and relaxed the flags, which did not work. This includes downgrading binutils to amd64 stable, whichever one that was.
Everything was as directed each install. It takes about 2 hours to get to the reboot part of your guide, so I've managed to reproduce this in various ways 4-5 times now. |
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| buttons wrote: | | p4r0l3 wrote: | | Hey buttons, I had that same sysinit problem the first time I booted after the install....but rebooting fixed it and everything booted fine....(~x86) |
Unfortunately repeated reboots and reinstalls produce the same error, though occasionally the boot services do start (never those in default, however).
I have also tried masking everything not needed to make gcc-4.0.3 work and relaxed the flags, which did not work. This includes downgrading binutils to amd64 stable, whichever one that was.
Everything was as directed each install. It takes about 2 hours to get to the reboot part of your guide, so I've managed to reproduce this in various ways 4-5 times now. |
hmm, Have you tried to mask baselayout and downgrade? Not sure if that is the problem.
Also, are you using gentoo-sources?
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| I would suggest making sure that your kernel configuration is correct. I run the latest baselayout and everything (though I don't run an x64 machine.) with no problems. And besides that, the tickrate error is due to something in the kernel. |
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Is the speed difference between gcc 4.0.2 to 4.0.3 worth the time to upgrade?
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| bigbob73 wrote: | | Is the speed difference between gcc 4.0.2 to 4.0.3 worth the time to upgrade? |
Simply.. No.
You can do it overnight if you want, and have nothing else to compile. I reccomend upgrading to 4.0.3, and if you dont want to, dont rebuild the world, just have it for all new packages you compile.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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Thanx!
i have install it on z71v laptop, it's rock!
no problem at all
i just still have nasty stuff at booting ( i think cuz of my kernel settings ) stuff like:
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PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 7 of bridge 0000:00:1c.0
PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 8 of bridge 0000:00:1c.0
PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 9 of bridge 0000:00:1c.0
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and pcmcia ( driver not found )
thanks again really awsome!
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| nuhus wrote: | Thanx!
i have install it on z71v laptop, it's rock!
no problem at all
i just still have nasty stuff at booting ( i think cuz of my kernel settings ) stuff like:
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PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 7 of bridge 0000:00:1c.0
PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 8 of bridge 0000:00:1c.0
PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 9 of bridge 0000:00:1c.0
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and pcmcia ( driver not found )
thanks again really awsome! |
Is your chipset compiled in? Device Drivers - ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL Support, then it varies, mine is, AMD and nVidia chipset support.
Also, pcmcia driver would be located... Bus Option (PCI,PCMCIA,EISA,MCA,ISA) - PCCARD (PCMCIA/CardBus) Support
Just double check your kernel, if you dont use pcmcia, disable it all together, otherwise, build it in. Also, if you use a universal kernel config, I reccomend using the autoconfig init script from the, livecd-tools, package - it will automatically load your modules that you need, it works pretty well.
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because my wireless card does not work with ndiswrapper and there are no madwifi drivers on the livecd i had to install conrad in a chroot with ubuntu.
went fine and i can boot up and have also net with the madwifi drivers.
BUT: ubuntu does not have reiser4 support so i have to install on a reiserfs partition... now i want to copy over the partion..here is what i make:
booted with the conrad live cd
mkdir /OLD
mkdir /NEW
mount /dev/sda4 /OLD
mount /dev/sda2 /NEW
cd /OLD
tar -cl * | (cd /NEW && tar -xv)
all files copied fine..seems so?
altered my fstab from sda4 to 2 and also grub.conf (was seperate partion)
conrad boots up and now comes the error, something like (dont rememeber exactly): cannot start syslog-ng while sysinit (or sysvinit?)
this error comes for all init processes.
do i copy the wrong way?
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update: ok i think i got it...
i copied manual all dirs using cp...
first time bootup had also the sysinit error... so i dont log in and just rebooted...second boot was fine
i will see... 
posting this from my laptop dell d610 with conrad on drugs
/me thinks the laptop was never faster
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big trouble with reiser4 :/
i emerged some small things on the new reiser4 partition and after a reboot...all is gone? but the harddisk seems to write
i have followed the guide 100% and im no noob at all... using newest no-sources. any idea?
i think i had something similar to this with early reiser version end 2004 with my first gentoo installations... there was something with reniceing reiser. but i thought this one was "stable" ?
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I trust Conrad but not everyone (Especially amd64 people) have good luck with reiser4.
@Conrad: Please note that anyone running amd64 is using reiser4 at their own risk. If I remember correctly I read alot about people saying that reiser4 is unstable with amd64. |
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| aslocum wrote: | big trouble with reiser4 :/
i emerged some small things on the new reiser4 partition and after a reboot...all is gone? but the harddisk seems to write
i have followed the guide 100% and im no noob at all... using newest no-sources. any idea?
i think i had something similar to this with early reiser version end 2004 with my first gentoo installations... there was something with reniceing reiser. but i thought this one was "stable" ? |
Hmm, let me ponder this
That happened to be a few times before, using nitro-sources, but that was because the whole system crashed, and did not get a fair reboot. Are you rebooting safely? or hitting the reset button? Because sometimes cutting the power can just kill any data that turned out to not be saved to the hard drive.
It sounds like it did not unmount cleanly on the reboot, init unmounts the filesystems, re-mounts read-only, and so on before it finally reboots, so make sure that you reboot cleanly, on the reboot.
@nesl247
According to what I've heard, and docs, the latest reiser4 is as stable on amd64 as it is on x86
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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first of all im on ~x86 not amd
and i rebooot just as normal.. tying reboot and wait
just emerged xorg7...dont wanna reboot  ut i will try
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| That happened to me too. I actually had the entire system done and boom rebooted and nothing existed. It was using the nitro-sources. |
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forget it all.. im just a dumb noob...
for some testing reason i dont rewrote the root= command in grub and i manually altered it at boottime...
i forgot to set it and this little emerges were done on the old partition...
SORRY !!!
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| aslocum wrote: | forget it all.. im just a dumb noob...
for some testing reason i dont rewrote the root= command in grub and i manually altered it at boottime...
i forgot to set it and this little emerges were done on the old partition...
SORRY !!! |
Not the first time that has happened  Using Reiser4 and Nitro-sources here and it has been very stable.
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1/29/06
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2) Changed kernel to No-Sources-2.6.15-r2
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Problems building on amd64 system |
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| buttons wrote: | On my brand new AMD64 X2 3800+ and company, I've had difficulty compiling several packages during the emerge --emptytree system step.
On packages "db" and "gettext," I get errors when building the CXX modules. This could be bypassed using the -nocxx option, however that left an unusable system.
Relaxing the CXXFLAGS to "${CFLAGS}" fixed these compiler issues and the system appears to be completing that step without a hitch as we speak.
Just a heads-up to anyone compiling AMD64 with an X2 processor. |
I had the same problem on my FX-53. Utilizing the portage bashrc scripts available I made a package.cxxflags which stripped the -Wl,-O1 which was causing the two packages to fail.
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sys-libs/db GLOBALCFLAGS -fvisibility-inlines-hidden
sys-devel/gettext GLOBALCFLAGS -fvisibility-inlines-hidden
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I then made it through the 97ish packages in emerge -e system until the last one, libstdc++-v3 which I had to strip -frename-registers to complete. |
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I am glad you replaced gentoo-sources w/ no-sources in your guide. However, you missed some steps...
You're missing your own step 4. Step 5 is lacking 'digest' at the end. Step 6 and 7 are no longer present either, are they needed?
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4) # mv no-sources-2.6.15-r2.ebuild /usr/local/portage/sys-kernel/no-sources
5) # ebuild /usr/local/portage/sys-kernel/no-sources/no-sources-2.6.15-r2.ebuild digest
6) # echo "sys-kernel/no-sources ~x86" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords
7) # echo "sys-kernel/no-sources symlink" >> /etc/portage/package.use
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Also,
I'd like to use your grub splash screen (especially since I have 2 puppies that look just like yours) but can you spell 'lightning and optimized' correctly first?  |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Hello, thanx for this great guide!
I installed it on my Sempron 64bit using ~AMD64 and nitro-sources-2.6.15-r3 (only because I couldn't download reiser4 patch for gentoo-sources :)
I had some problems though:
During the emerge -e system sys-libs/db & sys-devel/gettext didnÎt compile.
I relaxed the CXXFLAGS for these 2 (that is I removed the -Wl, -O1) and they compiled fine.
During the emerge of coldplug I had the same problem with dev-libs/libusb. Same solution!
This problem became annoying when I tried to emerge kde-meta.
From the kde-libs and after, almost every second emerge would fail!
So I removed permanently -Wl, -01 from the CXXFLAGS.
I have the suspicion that it is only kde progs that don't like them!
After kde I started merging various apps, mainly for testing purposes!
Till now they are: amarok, kmplayer, xine-ui, showimg, krita, gimp, easytag, kdevelop, ethereal, scribus, avidemux, k9copy, nvu, k3b, ncftp, mozilla-firefox, kivio, inkscape, blender, etherape.
I met these problems:
amarok [musicbrainz wouldn't compile, so USE="-musicbrainz"]
mplayer [libdv wouldn't compile, so USE="-dv"]
blender [yafray only needed completely relaxed CXXFLAGS, LDFLAGS]
inkskape [glibmm only needed completely relaxed CXXFLAGS, LDFLAGS]
The system totally rocks!
Thanx again!
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Speaking of kernel config, the guide always says to enable SMP.
Shouldn't that only be enabled if you have HT or multiple cores?
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there is no difference on a single cpu if you activate smp or not. but maybe you upgrade sometime and dont need to rebuild your kernel
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