[__ dead nitro thread __]

Pse · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:42 am Post subject:

I don't really feel like getting into this discussion, or taking sides FWIW, but it is certainly possible to distribute GPL code along with non-GPL code. Many drivers are developed this way (madwifi, for instance). The GPL, as any license, only protects the code that's explicitly licensed by the author that way. Any other code, despite being included within the same package as the GPL code, may be licensed differently. A person would infringe the GPL if he or she used part of the GPL code in his or her own non-GPL code...which I don't think is the case...
Regarding names...well, I think that has something to do with trademark. I'm not really sure about which country's laws are we talking about, since none of us clearly live in the same place :lol:

I think it should all come down to, and be solved on the grounds of, courtesy and common sense. There's no reason to make this a bigger problem than it already is.

Tiger683 · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:46 am Post subject:

Sorry
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Tiger683 · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:58 am Post subject:

Sorry
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Tiger683 · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:04 pm Post subject:

Sorry
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metalshark · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:45 pm Post subject: As the dust settles

As the dust settles on a rather heated weekend (on many fronts) - I am glad you are keeping up the Nitro-Sources Tiger. If you have to include the WHOLE SOURCE for the Nitro Kernel it's probably gonna put some strain on your webservers - PM me if you need some mirrors.
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Jedi Master · n00b Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Posts: 35

I am afraid that the patches are more GPL compatible than the whole tree - as soon as you have the whole tree distributed with non-GPLed logo means GPL violation - since all the other software - linux kernel itself, mm patches, Con's patches - are GPL. And making them all proprietory because of some god damned logo is the worst thing implemented into nitro tree.

I was using nitro since now - and I am still using it with some exceptions - the software I need does not work with staircase 13 so I had to tear off nitro - reverse the 13.x there and apply 12.2 on top. So till now I was thinking that I am doing the right way - GPL-ed kernel, GPLed patches from Con - so why not? But now it looks like stupid logo - by the way derived from gentoo logo which is GPL - is much higher priority than all the efforts of the thousands of developers who contribute their work.

Just think a bit of amount of work Linus, Greg K-H or Andrew Morton or Con did for the kernel itself and patches - and they gave it for you to use in your patchset. For free. And they do not release their patches in git-tree, hide broken-out or documentation to prevent YOU from doing nitro. So you take their work - and why you think ypu have right to stop others from using your work? You took the GPL patches - thats mean the deal - you use it, but you have no rights to stop others from using it until they make their work open.

Actually I like nitro. But if it goes this way - to b3shit general license insted of GPL - it's better die rather than live. Or just develop you kernel from scratch - and put the logo there and enjoy it yourself.

Hope Tiger will at list read this - little bit to emotional but that anti-GPL freaks make me mad, when they take the whole linux distributive, add a logo there and claim it to be closed-source proprietory product. I was thinking that gentoo community is free from theese freaks. Tiger, please, please - stop, before you do not turn to one of those. If the logo is not GPL - kick it out. Freedom worth much more than the stupid picture.

metalshark · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject: Jedi Master

Didn't even notice the logo (don't use framesplash, logo, etc as it slows down console text refresh), but I have to agree with Jedi Master if the actual logo I never see is the only thing stopping the product being GPL'ed. Does it still infringe upon the GPL if you never use the logo or framesplash, bootsplash, any of that fancy gubbins before KDE/Console comes up?
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Tiger683 · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject:

We got a little too "all over this", that's what i now realize, too.

I never stated that nitro will become prop. because of the logo, or anything else...heck, there's even binary
stuff in mainline kernel, which the guys "exceptionally" are able to consider gpl too, just to keep it in the tree.

The logo is GPL too, just like the whole damn thing, stuff i said was only out of anger which is now gone.
I will give Schamane commit access to a git branch of nitro just to show that i'm leaving this story behind (when it's set up that is, still a few things to settle within this week), and hope ppl will forgive us this childish flamewar.

My dream is actually to try to combine efforts of all patchset maintainers and create one repository of some kind of "alternative-to-mainline-and-goddamn-featurerich-and-stable"-sources, but that's still somehow far in the future from where we are now, and this incident will certainly NOT make it easier.

I will remove all my posts related to this silly topic too.

I officially apologize Schamane and everyone else.... :oops:

T
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Karl-Franz · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject:

Elv13 · Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject:

at boot it stop at something like character mapping, why?

brot · Guru Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Posts: 322

Well, T, that is really a very nice step of you.

And from you SchAmane, too.

It first seemed that you tried to kinda destroy this patchset. The name "nitrowar" can be easyly misunderstood. Well, it seems that i have misunderstood it.

[quote=myself]It doesnt look like you understood it. If you like to help the linux community, then do it. Otherwise go ...[/quote]

As you really only wanted to help,... welcome

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Tiger683 · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:27 am Post subject:

trevorj · n00b Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 68

With this kernel, INIT fails with

Jedi Master · n00b Joined: 30 Aug 2005 Posts: 35

Bad news about suspend2.

Nigel is out of business at least for a couple of month - but maybe forever. So afraid that there will be no more suspend2 if somebody competent enough will pick up the project and keep it alive for a while.

The in-kernel suspend code is not even close in features to the one in suspend2 - so I'am still curious why Pavel is so active against suspend2 to be included in the main kernel tree. If he thinks that his code is better or whatever - why is'nt he still including hibernate image compression and reach at least half a speed of suspend2? But that's my opinion - maybe other people think different. Unfortunately I am not the best kernel programmer in the world - not even a half of a regular kernel programmer - so all I might do is ask Tiger and SchAmane a favor - to keep suspend2 in nitro as long as possible.

Tiger683 · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject:

Best i can do is try to forward port this stuff as long as possible,
At the moment less than enough time to do actual study of internals to start some development on it.
But who knows.... :wink:

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buthus · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject:

hello,

the kernel worgs fine, but i want to update my system with emerge -uvaD world and one package "splashutils" failed to emerge. i had tried some things ( recompile kernel ..) but it semes to be an error with the kernel-headers.
please watch error-log

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Tiger683 · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:26 pm Post subject:

I made a patch:

bollucks · l33t Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 606

BITS_PER_LONG is only 32 on 32 bit architectures.

Tiger683 · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:59 am Post subject:

metalshark · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:04 am Post subject: Question

Tiger683 · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:58 am Post subject: Re: Question