Gnome 2.14 gonna take as long as 2.12?

Saferin · n00b Joined: 13 Dec 2002 Posts: 58 Location: Sweden

Hello!

I was just wondering if there is many problems with Gnome 2.14 as there where with 2.12?
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atrus123 · Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:03 pm Post subject:

We'll probably know that after it comes out.

What sorts of problems are you having with 2.12? I find it to be pretty stable.
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Saferin · n00b Joined: 13 Dec 2002 Posts: 58 Location: Sweden

I dont have any problems with it now. What I meant by _problems_ is that 2.12 took a HELL of a long time before it was marked stable under gentoo.

I was wondering if there are similiar showstoppers in 2.14 + Gentoo.
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tj · Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject:

2.14-beta seems fine for me on x86 - the xgl stuff I'm playing with still has a couple of quirks but it's experimental so

same with 2.12, if you're prepared to read up on how to unmask (and at times fix) stuff then no need to wait

of course that comes with the caveat that unmasked = unsupported, a choice you decide to make

nothing personal, but we seem to get this with every 'brand-name' package rev-release - if you want stable gentoo you wait, if you want the package (typically kde/gnome) more than the (meta-)distro you are beholden to no-one here

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sternklang · Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject:

I've been using 2.13/2.14 for a while now on amd64. It's pretty clean at this point (with the exception of those using the evdev driver in modular X -- that's still not fixed though there's a proposed patch).

As to how long it takes to go stable, the best way to speed that up is to unmask the ~arch packages and help out with testing, filing bug reports, etc. If you're not comfortable doing that it's perfectly okay :wink:

but as with anything else, if you want bleeding-edge you have to put more time into tinkering and testing.

phaseburn · Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject:

You could always head over to BMG and use their ebuilds as well - though I prefer just unmasking the gentoo ones myself.

BMG's had gnome 2.13 releases up to the latest RCs for 2.14 - Heard they work pretty well...

Truth is, packages like gnome and kde and X sit in ~arch for a long time as they have to be really really tested on a variety of hardware with different options, etc - an undiscovered bug in one of them (which a lot of people use) is a lot more critical in terms of perception of the distro than, say, sci-chemistry/mead - if that crashes from insufficient testing, it'll affect a lot less than say, gnome, or X11.

While I'm no developer for gentoo (one can dream, can't they?), I wouldn't wager on seeing 2.14 unmasked in portage for a while. Likely package.mask for at least 2 weeks, maybe 3, and then ~keyword for another month... Again, just a guess, but that's traditionally they way things have been done ever since 1.2a
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Saferin · n00b Joined: 13 Dec 2002 Posts: 58 Location: Sweden

ecatmur · Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:36 am Post subject:

If you want to help, or just keep an eye on things, go to the tracker bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119872
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aethyr · Veteran Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Posts: 1085 Location: NYC

You have to decide for yourself (as a system admin), if it's worth running GNOME before it gets moved over. The best way to do that (as others have pointed out) is looking at the bug report.

Personally, I think it's OK to put gnome as "~" in your package.keywords, as it gets a fair amount of testing before release, plus another few weeks before the gentoo team unmasks it (which pretty much guarantees there will be no showstopping bugs). The only issue might be if it depends on other packages (like dbus, etc...) which haven't been moved over yet, in which case you will also have to add those to your package.keywords.

sclough · n00b Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 28

I'm new to Gentoo and was wanting to install Gnome 2.14, but was trying to find a way to use portage to do it. Based on this, I'm assuming I can just use the instructions here http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Dealing_with_masked_packages to unmask it? I'm assuming I should just try to emerge gnome-2.14? Please forgive me if this is a stupid question, I'm just trying to learn my way around portage.

ecatmur · Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject:

The Gnome 2.14 mask is quite large, so you'd be better off copying it wholesale into package.unmask. Be aware that if you're new to Gentoo and start messing around with package masked or unstable keyword packages, you're going to have to learn pretty fast.
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sclough · n00b Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 28

Since I'm not sure what you mean by copying it wholesale, is this documented somewhere so I can see how to do it?

I was wanting to play with 2.14 and was thinking that it would be better to install it this way than to use another package like BMG. Am I wrong? I am new to portage, but I've been playing with Linux for years.

ecatmur · Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject:

It doesn't make any difference whether or not you use the BMG or any other overlay; you're still going to have to unmask the Gnome packages.

If what I've said doesn't make sense, you probably want to read portage(5) and the linked URLs and man pages.
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Specialized · Apprentice Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 264

Aren't there Gnome 2.14 ebuilds in portage?
As I thought the stable version of 2.14 has released today I thought it would be in portage.
But I cant find any after syncing portage...

phaseburn · Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject:

1veedo · Apprentice Joined: 19 Dec 2005 Posts: 152

Like sclough.

How do you install the lattest gnome? Umask what?

ecatmur · Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject:

Overview:

1. Grab the bmg overlay, the gnome-experimental overlay, or wait till ebuilds start to hit Portage
2. Deactivate the Gnome 2.14 mask in /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask (e.g. using /etc/portage/package.unmask)
3. Update gnome.

I don't really have time to write a howto, but it's really no different from normal Gentoo maintenance.
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sclough · n00b Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 28

I've synched the BMG overlay into /usr/local/overlays/bmg-main . I see all the packages. I've added the portoverlay variable to my make.conf. What do I need to do to actually use these ebuilds? I assumed the portoverlay directive would be read by portage and it would read these ebuilds.

sclough · n00b Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 28

Forgive me, I've found my error and added gnome-base/gnome to package.keywords and now I'm getting the errors and I guess I'll start unmasking the packages.

joem · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:22 am Post subject:

sclough · n00b Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 28

Ok, I'll just wait a few days. I have a new gentoo box and I just wanted to get a gui up on it. I guess I'll emerge xfce and then wait until the end of the week and hopefully 2.14 will be available. Since I'm new, my understanding is that its going to be put into portage as an unstable package and I'll simply need to enable unstable packages for gnome and then emerge it. Is that correct?

ecatmur · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:01 am Post subject:

Why not emerge gnome 2.12? It's not that out of date...
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omp · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:18 am Post subject: