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Ok, I'll have to try and choose between einit and baselayout-2, but I would surely like to have servant installed on my father's laptop. Makes a lot of discussions much shorter. 
momesana, would it be possible, that servant supports einit, too?
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A link: http://www.einit.org/ or #einit on irc freenode.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| zxy wrote: | | Ok, I'll have to try and choose between einit and baselayout-2, but I would surely like to have servant installed on my father's laptop. Makes a lot of discussions much shorter. |
That's the reason why I wrote servant in the first place. I was tired of telling some guys I had persuaded to install gentoo how to handle initscripts. He always called me to ask what do to and when I told him the commands he had to enter into the shell he simply didn't get it right and blamed it on me. It had really started to go on my nerves ...
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momesana, would it be possible, that servant supports einit, too?
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Well, actually I have no Idea how einit works. To be honest I didn't even know that something like einit existed prior to reading your post. I've always thought, initng was the way to go ... or upstart. I will look into it.
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| UberLord wrote: | baselayout-2.0.0_alpha4 is now out
You can do this
/etc/init.d/clock describe
We also have 2 new C functions to get the service options and descriptions. |
All shades of nifty!
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| UberLord wrote: | baselayout-2.0.0_alpha4 is now out
You can do this
/etc/init.d/clock describe
We also have 2 new C functions to get the service options and descriptions. |
The service Options would have been the next think I was about to request. Thanx a lot.
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| UberLord wrote: | baselayout-2.0.0_alpha4 is now out
You can do this
/etc/init.d/clock describe
We also have 2 new C functions to get the service options and descriptions. |
thanks a lot, it's pretty fast 
I have one concern, however:
could you please fix the order / handling of encrypted partitions ?
my /home is not mounted (more detail: it doesn't ask for cryptsetup LuksOpen password & tries to mount it that way) & further it doesn't cope right with reiser4 (it seems), but that's not your fault
many thanks in advance
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Thanks! This a great programs for cli shy Gentoo users. My suggestion is that you further simplify the gui. I think the colors can be a bit confusing. If you you look at the PCLinuxOS and openSUSE runlevel managers they all use words like "running" and "stopped" to describe the current state. I think it would greatly enhance servants usability if the colors would be replaced by such words. I will post screenshots later on to show you what I mean.
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Has there been any progress on servent during the last year?
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| Aniruddha wrote: | | I think the colors can be a bit confusing. If you you look at the PCLinuxOS and openSUSE runlevel managers they all use words like "running" and "stopped" to describe the current state. I think it would greatly enhance servants usability if the colors would be replaced by such words. |
This would also be great for accessibility, particularly for those who are color blind.
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There is a problem, with the newer versions of cairo and libxft, qt4 apps don't show fonts quite that well, is there a way to change the small font size in servant?
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momesana
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Hi,
I havent done anything on the servant front for a while but I've been programming many little Qt apps and I'll put a newer version online in a few months. I am actually waiting for baselayout-2.0 to become stable. It's still hardmasked. I've already put the "running", "stopped", "inactive" labels on my development version. But I'll probably rewrite the whole thing .
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Could you just output a hard masked version which uses the hardmasked base layout 2.0?
It would be fun to test it (I think )
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| ArneBab wrote: | Could you just output a hard masked version which uses the hardmasked base layout 2.0?
It would be fun to test it (I think ) |
I'll do that in a week or so. Right now I am in Teheran/Iran and my desktop-Pc with the development version of Servant is still in germany. I'll be in germany next week before I come back to teheran in three to four months. I'll sent you the hardmasked ebuild as soon as I get there.
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Many thanks!
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momesana
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Unfortunately development of baselayout-2.0 has been stalled for months. It's developer has left gentoo and is working on openrc, a replacement for baselayout that is not an official gentoo project anymore. That means, servant has to rely on baselayout-1.2 as opposed to baselayout-2.0 in the foreseeable future  .
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| duckz wrote: | | is there any gtk or qt3 version available? |
Short answer "No".
This is because Qt4 has been available and stable for many years now while Qt3 is more or less dying. As for Gtk, I don't like it (as a programmer. I like Gtk apps though). What is the reason you can't try out the Qt4 version?
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| Quote: | | This is because Qt4 has been available and stable for many years now while Qt3 is more or less dying. As for Gtk, I don't like it (as a programmer. I like Gtk apps though). What is the reason you can't try out the Qt4 version? |
mainly due to the size and compile time,
anyway, I found BUM for ubuntu and I think IMHO have similar features with servant, but the programmer wrote it in perl (I got ZERO idea about how perl ticks). So if anyone there can hack this to fit to gentoo, then finally gentoo can have both qt and gtk gui programs for managing services.
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| duckz wrote: | | Quote: | | This is because Qt4 has been available and stable for many years now while Qt3 is more or less dying. As for Gtk, I don't like it (as a programmer. I like Gtk apps though). What is the reason you can't try out the Qt4 version? |
mainly due to the size and compile time, |
At least the compile time has grown far tamer with qt4.
The time needed for qt4 is quite short, a good deal shorter than qt3, on my system.
Mon Mar 10 11:18:37 2008 >>> x11-libs/qt-4.3.4
merge time: 18 minutes and 4 seconds.
Tue Sep 25 09:48:09 2007 >>> x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4
merge time: 23 minutes and 3 seconds.
And qmpdclient compiled in just under 3 minutes:
Tue Feb 12 00:16:48 2008 >>> media-sound/qmpdclient-1.0.8
merge time: 2 minutes and 55 seconds.
As far as I can judge it, the compile time has grown noticeably shorter in programs which switched from qt3 to qt4, and from qt-4.4 onwards, qt will be a metapackage, so it will matter even less (x11-libs/qt-4.4.0_beta1 is already in portage, but masked (and I wouldn't recommend using 4.4.0_beta1 it yet, but rather wait for the release - that's what I'll do (I tested it))).
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| momesana wrote: | | Unfortunately development of baselayout-2.0 has been stalled for months. It's developer has left gentoo and is working on openrc, a replacement for baselayout that is not an official gentoo project anymore. That means, servant has to rely on baselayout-1.2 as opposed to baselayout-2.0 in the foreseeable future :(. |
Nah, OpenRC is going to be the next baselayout on Gentoo as well; the distro-independent stuff (most of it iow apart from Gentoo specific files) has been broken out, is all, so it'll run on any *nix. Just go for it :-) (when you get the time.) |
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Nah, OpenRC is going to be the next baselayout on Gentoo as well; the distro-independent stuff (most of it iow apart from Gentoo specific files) has been broken out, is all, so it'll run on any *nix. Just go for it (when you get the time.) |
I talked to the developer and he said he hoped gentoo would pick OpenRC over baselayout but it did not look the least like this was already decided. The OpenRC ebuild is not even in portage. I got myself the ebuild for openrc-0.1 and just emerged it. I'll look into it the next few days. Are you sure it is going to officially replace the current baselayout system in gentoo? If I knew for sure I could start porting. I remember having a chat with openrc's developer in irc over a year ago when he was still in charge of developing baselayout-2.0.0 and he told me baselayout-2.0.0 would be unmasked in a few weeks ... well it has been a lot of weeks since then ...
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: status update |
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I decided to try out OpenRC and must say, it is lightning fast (the system boots waaaaaaay faster than before) and the switch was more than painless. Exactly the way one expects it to be. Furthermore it has a very nice C interface for most of its functionality. In the four days of easter holiday I made an attempt to write a frontend for openrc. Here you see how far I got: http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~momesana/runlevel-editor.jpg
It doesn't share a single line of code with servant since they were too different and it felt good to make a fresh start. It'll probably take a few months until openrc will replace baselayout in gentoo so I still have plenty of time to add the missing bits. What do you think of the new streamlined interface?
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Sounds quite nice, but I don't know enough to really judge it myself...
Thanks for the info!
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IMHO its better than servant layout. less confusing...
anyway I am using baselayout-2 now so servant is out of commission, :< can wait for your next apps momesana :>
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Momesana, its already been replaced, how far along are you on the new version?
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