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 Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: [solved] gentoo crashes < running emerge gnome xscreensav |
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In the end it seemed to be an impaired cpu cooling. A little unconventional help (s.b.) solved it.
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I tried to emerge gnome, but my Laptop keeps crashing while compiling. A complete power off.
The Laptop simply crashes no errormessages or anything, its like pulling the plug.
here is the last line I get when I try it via ssh.
| Code: | | i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -c -ansi -pedantic -Wno-return-type -w -I../../../../extras/Mesa/src/mesa -I../../../../extras/Mesa/src/mesa/main -I../../../../extras/Mesa/src/mesa/array_cache -I../../../../extras/Mesa/src/mesa/math -I../../../../extras/Mesa/src/mesa/glapi -I../../../../extras/Mesa/src/mesa/swrast -I../../../../extras/Mesa/src/mesa/shader -I../../../../extras/Mesa/src/mesa/x86 -I../../../../extras/Mesa/include -I../../../include -I../../../../exports/include/X11 -I../../../dri -I../../../glx -I../../dri -I../../../include -I../../../../exports/include/GL -I../../../../programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/os-support -I../../../../programs/Xserver/GL/dri -I../../../.. -I../../../../exports/include -Dlinux -D__i386__ -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=199309L -D_POSIX_SOURCE -D_XOPEN_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_SVID_SOURCE -D_GNU_SOURCE -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DNARROWPROTO -DXTHREADS -D_REENTRANT -DXUSE_MTSAFE_API -DMALLOC_0_RETURNS_NULL -DGLXEXT -DXF86DRI -DGLX_DIRECT_RENDERING -DGLX_USE_DLOPEN -DGLX_USE_MESA -DUSE_X86_ASM -O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing s_triangle.c -o unshared/s_triangle.o |
I am kind of a gentoo/Linux noob  so I dont have any ideas where to start looking for misconfigures.
I run on a AthlonXP mobile 1800+ and use CFLAGS="-O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe" the gentoo installtion is a newborn child, no other emerges have been done yet execpt an update to portage.
My impression is an hardware error, but i never experienced anything before.
I followed the guide located here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gnome-config.xml
thx in advance
simbaru
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The processor is probably overheating and the bios shuts off the system. Do you have any cpu temp monitors like gkrellm or conky installed that you can use to watch the temp while compiling to see if the temp is getting too high?
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| Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| yabbadabbadont wrote: | | The processor is probably overheating and the bios shuts off the system. Do you have any cpu temp monitors like gkrellm or conky installed that you can use to watch the temp while compiling to see if the temp is getting too high? |
tell me how and i will
trying to emerge OOo atm to check if it is and overheating
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emerge gkrellm
Run it. (EDIT: the installed program name is gkrellm2, just FYI)
Right click on the system name display to get to the configuration options. Configure your sensors using the Builtins->Sensors section. You will have to have support for your hardware sensors either built into your kernel, loaded as modules, or through an external package like lm_sensors.
If you need them, there are multiple howto's and wiki entries for configuring hardware sensor support.
Hope this helps. (and I hope your cpu *isn't* overheating...)
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Come to think of it, I had a laptop that did that once. It'd always shut off randomly, in both Windows and Gentoo Linux... even when it was doing nothing and was plugged in all night. The only way I ever stopped the problem was by disabling APM (or was it ACPI) in both OS's, and I never had the problem again. It was a mobile Pentium III so I never really worried too much that it'd overheat or anything. Maybe this is similar...
...or maybe it really is overheating. Watching and logging the sensors sounds a lot smarter 
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| yabbadabbadont wrote: | emerge gkrellm
Run it. (EDIT: the installed program name is gkrellm2, just FYI)
Right click on the system name display to get to the configuration options. Configure your sensors using the Builtins->Sensors section. You will have to have support for your hardware sensors either built into your kernel, loaded as modules, or through an external package like lm_sensors.
If you need them, there are multiple howto's and wiki entries for configuring hardware sensor support.
Hope this helps. (and I hope your cpu *isn't* overheating...) |
sounds like I need a GTK for it, is there any way to do this in console mode?
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| BRPXQZME wrote: | Come to think of it, I had a laptop that did that once. It'd always shut off randomly, in both Windows and Gentoo Linux... even when it was doing nothing and was plugged in all night. The only way I ever stopped the problem was by disabling APM (or was it ACPI) in both OS's, and I never had the problem again. It was a mobile Pentium III so I never really worried too much that it'd overheat or anything. Maybe this is similar...
...or maybe it really is overheating. Watching and logging the sensors sounds a lot smarter |
sounds a lot harder to me too
well for one thing never ever happend when I run Windows XP (its a dual boot system) never ever happend when I ran SuSE (8-10), Mandrake, FC4. Guess its just me being a noob - after all this is my first "hand" compiled kernel ever, might be I did a bunch wrong.
The processor is an AMD AthlonXP mobile 1800+ and it runs for days under full usage with Windows. I did a bunch of stuff u normally don't use a Laptop for with it like rendering complex scences.
ATM i put a block of ice under the air ventilation to help the cooling no idea if it will help
If not I'll sure be back bugging u with the same old questions.
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| simbaru wrote: | | ATM i put a block of ice under the air ventilation to help the cooling no idea if it will help |
Probably the only thing you're doing wrong. That could introduce water into the system, obviously not ideal.
Since everything else seems to work, I doubt you have the same thing as I did (that is, a cpu temperature sensor that went on the fritz about a month after my mother threw the computer across the room-- just by luck it turns out someone else suggested the solution because their sensor died of natural causes and posted it where it was the first hit on google for me a couple of years ago). Okay, maybe yours died, but it shouldn't have if everything else still works...
If it's something you did with the kernel on the first try, I have only congratulations for you
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| BRPXQZME wrote: | | simbaru wrote: | | ATM i put a block of ice under the air ventilation to help the cooling no idea if it will help |
Probably the only thing you're doing wrong. That could introduce water into the system, obviously not ideal.
Since everything else seems to work, I doubt you have the same thing as I did (that is, a cpu temperature sensor that went on the fritz about a month after my mother threw the computer across the room-- just by luck it turns out someone else suggested the solution because their sensor died of natural causes and posted it where it was the first hit on google for me a couple of years ago). Okay, maybe yours died, but it shouldn't have if everything else still works...
If it's something you did with the kernel on the first try, I have only congratulations for you |
Well it is probably not the first and best idea to cool down a PC with a block of ice, but it worked
emerge openoffice
also emerged xorg and gnome that took a bunch of hours all together, but went through with the only complain, that my diskspace seems to be low.
haven't tested the outcome yet but at least the laptop didn't shut down on me again. As to my external cooling imrovements, I made sure no water could exidently get into the laptop. I guess the real reason for overheating (and i believe that was the problem) was that the little rubber feet unter my laptop have worn off over time and the distance between fan opening und underground just was too small, so the ciculation was impaired. I let the side with the cpu hang over the table and put the ice in a bowl under the fan opening where air is sucked in. So just a little precooling effect was all i added to clearing the way for unhindered air ciculation.
Thanks for all your suggestions and hints.
I consider this solved, well at least until my gentoo shuts down on me again 
cheers
simbaru
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was wrong with my assumption, gnome is not yet merged completely though gnome-base was merged with openoffice, well I'll see how far the laptop gets this time. I tried it with emerge gnome this time and let go off xscreensaver |
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Well, CPU throttling is another option 
If it really is the rubber feet, you can buy new ones at Radio Shack or something (although the people there might not exactly know where they are off the top of their heads). Stopped scuffing up my plastic PowerBook and the adhesive was mighty strong.
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