NEW: xgl-coffee Forum

[CoffeeBuzz]

Hey folks, I just set up a bugzilla tracker for the overlay.

http://bugs.xgl-coffee.org

I'm not very good at administering these sorts of webapps so if you have any questions, suggestions, comments or concerns PM me or post to this thread.

This is an initiative to centralize xgl/overlay issues. Hopefully it will improve searching for solutions, almost a replacement for the "Troubleshooting" wiki page which is out of date and poorly maintained.

I'm not convinced it will help a great deal, but who knows. It might just work.

I might bring the forum back up. bugzilla vs forum. Maybe allow guests to post? This will avoid silly "I-need-to-register-and-jump-through-hoops-before-I-can-post" issues.

What do you folks think? What would help you find solutions, post issues in a nice, non-5-part-30-pages-of-posts-per-part way?

EDIT:

Welp, forums are reinstated. Take a look:

http://forums.xgl-coffee.org
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[sternklang]

Hey CoffeeBuzz,

You and nesl247 and roderick do a great job of fixing overlay problems right away, so I'm not sure whether bugzilla is really necessary just for the overlay. Maybe you should talk to Quinn about sharing use of it for bug tracking of her code as well as the ebuilds -- she and her fellow devs could really use it, as bugs get lost over there on the compiz forums. Not their fault, forums are just not a good tool for bug tracking.

Bugzilla is a great tool for tracking bugs, but it's not a wiki replacement. If there isn't a "Jacob Moc" triaging the bugs, you could end up with a similar situation to the wiki -- lots of duplicates, fixed issues not being marked fixed, etc. The main problem with the wiki's troubleshooting section is the lack of someone to maintain it. So maybe recruiting someone else to join the coffeebuzz team to handle keeping the wiki updated, and help with bug triage, would be a better step.

I don't think another set of forums is needed. Forums have the same issues as the wiki -- without someone to moderate, get rid of duplicates, move posts to the correct place, etc., they become chaotic and difficult to find things in. Again, you can see this with compiz.net -- the community there is excellent, but there's no one to moderate so there are lots of dupes, posts in the wrong places, etc. It's pretty hard to find stuff over there sometimes.

I think we could improve the way the Gentoo Forums work for us by looking at new issues, starting new threads on those issues and asking the moderators to move discussion from the huge Xgl thread to the new ones -- perhaps even ask them to lock the big thread. We've outgrown a single main thread, and if we can get people in the habit of posting individual threads, perhaps with "[XGL]" starting the subject, we can make it easier to find solutions.

[roderick]

sternklang,

You raise some very interesting points. It would be nice to have someone willing to troll the appropriate forums and update the wiki.

Anyone have time/energy?
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[CoffeeBuzz]

http://forums.xgl-coffee.org
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[roderick]

[sternklang]

[Admiral_Trigger_Happy]

I have some spare time, I might do some work on the Wiki, because forums are great for discussing problems once they happen but once a solution is found I think the solution and other relevant info should be put into the wiki, that way I don't have to search through hundreds of forum posts to find a possible solution.
So if you think something needs to be added to the wiki I'm happy to do it, maybe you could put a note in your post or something to alert me to do it.
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[Admiral_Trigger_Happy]

Another thing, with some of the major changes to compiz-quinnstorm making it rather different to compiz, I think we may need to split the Wiki HowTo into 2 parts, one for compiz, and another for compiz-quinnstorm. I think this may be required before compiz hits portage, because when it does that more people are going to be running it and it means more confusion when it doesn't work quickly.
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[CoffeeBuzz]