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Dralnu
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 Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:14 am Post subject: Tuxracer masker? |
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Ok, I just checked my update file (created via cronjob), and found something interesting:
tuxracer is now hard-masked.
WTF is the reason for this? The package.mask file doesn't give a valid reason for it, just that it might be removed in a month.
Anyone know what the hell is going on with the devs for this?
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| tuxracer is no longer supported. Instead use the open source fork, ppracer. The version of ppracer that I tried is much more stable and has more maps. |
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Dralnu
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| davidgurvich wrote: | | tuxracer is no longer supported. Instead use the open source fork, ppracer. The version of ppracer that I tried is much more stable and has more maps. |
I'll look into it.
Do they have a "Who says penguin's cann't fly?" map clone?
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| Dralnu wrote: |
Do they have a "Who says penguin's cann't fly?" map clone? |
They sure do!  |
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Dralnu
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| Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:56 am Post subject: |
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| sirdilznik wrote: | | Dralnu wrote: |
Do they have a "Who says penguin's cann't fly?" map clone? |
They sure do! |
I installed it. No Tuxracer clone would be ocmplete without that map.
Ski Jump is cool, but I don't seem to be able to use "trick" for some reason..
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| davidgurvich wrote: | | tuxracer is no longer supported. |
And what? It's unmaintained since several years now. And there are many other good and still working programs which unfortunately aren't maintained anylonger. But why must they be removed from portage only because they aren't maintained anylonger as long as they work for at least many people?
Btw, the latest ppracer version is still declared as alpha and is only from September 26, 2005, one year old. So I'm not really sure if ppracer is still maintained. From this point I don't see much difference between tuxracer and ppracer.
| davidgurvich wrote: | | Instead use the open source fork, ppracer. |
But tuxracer is Tux Racer, the original! I don't like the name ppracer even if it stands for PlanetPenguin Racer.
And tuxracer has something nostalgic. I'm using it since I know Linux, I guess, and that's many years now even if I switched to Linux completely only 3 years ago. And at least for this nostalgic reason it should stay in portage.
| davidgurvich wrote: | | The version of ppracer that I tried is much more stable and has more maps. |
Ok, I don't know anything about the stability of ppracer but many courses and some cups can be found here, here and here. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:10 am Post subject: Tuxracer will not compile with gcc 4 |
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I also have nostalgic feeings with Tuxracer. But unfortunately I found it would never compile with gcc 4. I could get it work with gcc 3.2. I think there are some differences dealing with macro preprocessing. |
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PaulBredbury
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| cyberpatrol wrote: | | But why must they be removed from portage |
Oh God save us from another xmms moan  Read the xmms threads where the answer's given multiple times.
Ya see, Gentoo doesn't exist for you or me, it exists for the Gentoo devs. Anyone with the motivation, skill and mindset can become a Gentoo dev (although Steve Ballmer would probably not be admitted) and take over the maintenance of the package. Without a maintainer, the package gets thrown out of official Portage.
A package without a maintainer will gets bugs on bugzilla which get unanswered and unsolved because no-one cares enough to fix them. And that situation would be crappy. An example is the gcc problem just mentioned by evenstar.
There's nothing stopping users from sticking the package in their local overlay. I can't really emphasize this last sentence enough.
Bitter users might try to convince themselves that this is selfish, un-democratic, or whatever. Fact of the matter is, open-source software is selfish and un-democratic. Heh, other examples of this are: Closed-source software, capitalism, communism, and life itself 
Edit: Tuxracer exists for Ubuntu, so presumably there are gcc4 patches in its source code for someone with sufficient motivation & skill to create a working ebuild with. |
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Dralnu
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| PaulBredbury wrote: | | Anyone with the motivation, skill and mindset can become a Gentoo dev |
And here we run into another problem: Time. Just because someone has a limited amount of time, does this mean they should be required to deal with other peoples decisions, and have virtually no say in what happens? Distrobutions are for the devs, yes, but it wouldn't be a distrobution without the users: With Gentoo, the diffrence between it and LFS is having a good respository to get code from.
Then you get into another problem with other devs. Some of them may drop a package you use, and yet you, already a dev, have little effect on whether that program remains. If they decide to drop the package, then you, a dev, are in the same boat as the normal user. There is no maintainer, and hence it will be removed. If you already have your hands full time-wise, or the program is in a language you don't know, then being a dev doesn't make a lick of diffrence.
One of Gentoo's biggest points is the wide array of programs avalible to you, along with the power and ability to customize the bin for your own machine and needs. The way things are heading, the former is becoming an issue, and the rest, well, isn't worth anything if you don't have anything to create a binary from. At that point, all it is is a hollow package manager and a compiler.
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| Dralnu wrote: | | does this mean they should be required to deal with other peoples decisions, and have virtually no say in what happens? |
| Quote: | | Distributions are for the devs, yes |
You've just answered your own question.
Moaners seem to think that moaning will make a positive difference, or do anything other than be a cause of annoyance and waste more valuable time. I get the impression that they also think that a pefect distro is even possible. That's like asking for a perfect government. |
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| cmon guys, the gentoo devs are awesome, if i wasn't already commited to a lot of stuff I'd learn the system and become one. Just cuz they can't do everything doesn't mean its thier fault. Go get tuxracer back yourself. Take a look at the sample ebuilds, write one and post it on bugzilla, thier more than helpfull with telling you what needs to be fixed if you have the motivation to do it. |
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Dralnu
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| PaulBredbury wrote: | | Dralnu wrote: | | does this mean they should be required to deal with other peoples decisions, and have virtually no say in what happens? |
| Quote: | | Distributions are for the devs, yes |
You've just answered your own question.
Moaners seem to think that moaning will make a positive difference, or do anything other than be a cause of annoyance and waste more valuable time. I get the impression that they also think that a pefect distro is even possible. That's like asking for a perfect government. |
I love it when people quote me in part and ignore the rest of what I say. Without users, then anything you classify as a distro is pretty much just a hacked together LFS. A package manager without packages is pointless. A program without users is just a high school project with no real purpose.
In response to the main overlay cop-out: If you stick everything you want into an overlay, then running Gentoo is pointless. After awhile, you end up managing your own packages, and just get your kernel from Gentoo - I'm fairly sure the same thing could be done via script and wget with the vanilla kernel, in which case, Gentoo turns into LFS, which is a headache alot of people don't want to mess with.
All Gentoo is is Portage and its repositories. Remove the code, and both are totally pointless. Currently, they are removing code they see as needing removed, no matter what. If it works, and yet there is no maintainer, oh well, its gone. Want it, run LFS and fuck you is pretty much the theme I've seen going in the threads dealing with it (running an overlay == running LFS. Don't try and kid yourself into thinking otherwise).
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Tuxracer doesn't work with the current Gentoo layout. If it doesn't work, then why have it? GCC 4 won't compile it, no one will maintain it. If the users really gave such a big shit about it they should become a developer and maintain it, if not then it must not be worth that much. |
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Dralnu
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Phenax wrote: | | Tuxracer doesn't work with the current Gentoo layout. If it doesn't work, then why have it? GCC 4 won't compile it, no one will maintain it. If the users really gave such a big shit about it they should become a developer and maintain it, if not then it must not be worth that much. |
Not arguing over Tuxracer being removed here. It has a drop-in replacement, so who cares?
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| Dralnu wrote: | | I love it when people quote me in part and ignore the rest of what I say. |
I ignored it simply because it was a useless rant. Lots of people moaned about xmms - that didn't stop it from getting removed. Useless rants don't form a community, and they don't create a distro. See this guy. Looks like a load of moaners ain't worth diddly squat compared to one dev
If someone wants to actually do something constructive, then look at the Ubuntu diff and create a patch for a Gentoo ebuild. |
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Dralnu
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| PaulBredbury wrote: | | Dralnu wrote: | | I love it when people quote me in part and ignore the rest of what I say. |
I ignored it simply because it was a useless rant. |
Then why reply when you have no clue what was said? Maybe you should read sometime instead of jumping into a few lines, and seeing if someone actually has a point in what they are saying, instead of acting like a fool and making the same arguments everyone else does.
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