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BasketCase
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lol, I wrote my own "database approach" back before things like Amarok existed. When I saw what they created I was so glad I wrote my own instead of waiting for someone else to do it.
Mine simply uses data stored in a MySQL table to generate playlists that I play in Audacious. |
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aramdune
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Maybe a bit redundant, but my opinion is as follows:
XMMS works
XMMS is exactly as complex some people need
XMMS doesn't have a real alternative, audacious is coming fast from behind, but it is enxtremly SLOW program.
XMMS doesn't have any real bugs. I have used it for the last 6 years and never ever experienced any problem with it.
People are using XMMS.
XMMS is probably the most used software in desktop *nix world.
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| Quote: | | "So for all you people still inclined to send hate mail to Diego, I say this: get over yourselves. The decision to remove XMMS was never in question. It was going to happen. GTK+-1.2 is also leaving the tree. It is going to happen. I'm sorry, but that's just how it is. For people who want xmms, and want to be the "portage maintainers" of it, feel free! Take what we had in portage, stick it in your overlay, advertise it, and go! Take on the issues of maintaining it yourselves. In all honesty, that's what you should be doing instead of feeling all this negativity and projecting it towards people. You're wasting your time, everyone else's time and a whole lot of energy on criticising someone who certainly does not deserve it." |
http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/seemant/2006/12/17/xmms_autopsy_spoons_vs_self_sufficiency
| Quote: | | "If you want XMMS, you have to take it, it's simple as that. XMMS-1 needs a new upstream. Right now, every distro has its own huge patchset for XMMS: make that go away. Or, if you're ok with with XMMS problems, create your own overlay. You have a ready-made community to back it up. Use that!" |
http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/seemant/2006/12/19/of_broken_pinatas_and_developer_platform
| Quote: | "Also I find it amusing when people say that Gentoo exists for the
users. I think that is wrong. Gentoo exists for the *developers*.
It's our playground, and it's the reason we use a live tree rather
than switching to an actually sane approach. The users are cool
because they point out bugs, help solve problems on bugzilla, suggest
enhancements, provide patches, and notify us of package updates.
Sometimes they become developers. But the truth is that Gentoo sees
improvement and maintenance in the areas that appeal to the
developers. And that is why Gentoo exists for the developers first,
the users second." |
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_121973.xml
TL;DR version: whiners, GTFO. |
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nenolod
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| aramdune wrote: | Maybe a bit redundant, but my opinion is as follows:
XMMS works
XMMS is exactly as complex some people need
XMMS doesn't have a real alternative, audacious is coming fast from behind, but it is enxtremly SLOW program.
XMMS doesn't have any real bugs. I have used it for the last 6 years and never ever experienced any problem with it.
People are using XMMS.
XMMS is probably the most used software in desktop *nix world. |
Audacious is not as slow as it used to be, and 1.3 (SVN)'s event-driven UI vs XMMS's polled UI is just as fast as GTK1 XMMS in most places.
We're going to be releasing a 1.3 beta soon. |
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onlinepancakes
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"Also I find it amusing when people say that Gentoo exists for the
users. I think that is wrong. Gentoo exists for the *developers*.
It's our playground, and it's the reason we use a live tree rather
than switching to an actually sane approach. The users are cool
because they point out bugs, help solve problems on bugzilla, suggest
enhancements, provide patches, and notify us of package updates.
Sometimes they become developers. But the truth is that Gentoo sees
improvement and maintenance in the areas that appeal to the
developers. And that is why Gentoo exists for the developers first,
the users second."
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This is sad... I can't believe they said that....
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NeddySeagoon
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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onlinepancakes,
Think about what motivates the Gentoo devs ....
Money - nope, none of the devs get paid for their work on Gentoo (at least not by Gentoo)
Interest - yep, its a hobby, a labour of love.
Anyone can join in and contribute their time and skll set in whatever area they like. Developers can nudge Gentoo in new directions by starting new projects and when there is no longer any interest, culling old ones.
In all open projects there are no suppliers and consumers, there is only the community. Users are a part of the community but they have to become an active part if they want to help shape it. That means donating their time and skills to the community project.
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kulture
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| NeddySeagoon wrote: | onlinepancakes,
Think about what motivates the Gentoo devs ....
Money - nope, none of the devs get paid for their work on Gentoo (at least not by Gentoo)
Interest - yep, its a hobby, a labour of love.
Anyone can join in and contribute their time and skll set in whatever area they like. Developers can nudge Gentoo in new directions by starting new projects and when there is no longer any interest, culling old ones.
In all open projects there are no suppliers and consumers, there is only the community. Users are a part of the community but they have to become an active part if they want to help shape it. That means donating their time and skills to the community project. |
qft.
Why do people always see things in the "producer - consumer" way?
A community is both. |
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onlinepancakes
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I just don't like the way they worded it.... Users are only good for bug reports and everything is made to only please the devs and not the joy of people using the product..... Thats plain out just wrong..
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NeddySeagoon
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onlinepancakes,
Please explain what motivates developers to do what users want in a purely volunteer project ?
If users and developers want the same thing, fine, users won't notice developers doing what they want.
Developers got fed up maintaining XMMS and its dependancies with a dead upstream. No amount of kicking and screaming from users will bring it back. Of course, if a user wanted to step up and be a developer for XMMS, that would be different. I'm only citing XMMS here as its the package that stared the fuss.
Then Gentoo would have an XMMS developer again, doing what he/she wanted.
Its called human nature.
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flysideways
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| I suppose I should thank'em for removing xmms. The other day I threw together an ancient box, connected it to a new lcd for my wife and called it a picture frame with music. Built it with FC6, xmms and qiv. Has nothing attached but the monitor, boots and does all it was supposed to. Oh, the time I saved with binaries was spent installing pictures and music. So much for slavishly building a Gentoo box. |
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aramdune
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| nenolod wrote: | Audacious is not as slow as it used to be, and 1.3 (SVN)'s event-driven UI vs XMMS's polled UI is just as fast as GTK1 XMMS in most places.
We're going to be releasing a 1.3 beta soon. |
Yes, well I posted here and still wait for a reply  .
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BorgDrone2
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I don't believe the "no upstream" thing anymore.
1. even if there were no XMMS upstream, patches seem to be maintained in both FreeBSD and Debian trees. So gentoo could use those as upstream.
2. Take a look at the latest debian changelog
http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xmms/xmms_1.2.10+20061101-1/changelog
* New upstream snapshot.
* Applied patch from Andras Lipoth <andras.lipoth@gmail.com> to fix wrong
ogg save file rotation (Closes: #396665).
-- Daniel Baumann <daniel@debian.org> Thu, 2 Nov 2006 21:59:00 +0100
How could there possibly be a new upstream snapshot if there were no upstream? |
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jkcunningham
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For those who would like to still run xmms it was pretty trivial to patch their current version for both ~x86 and ~a64.
Go to http://www.xmms.org/ and download a copy of XMMS 1.2.10. Untar it.
| Code: | | tar xvfj xmms-1.2.10.tar.bz2 |
(change the 'j' to a 'z' if you downloaded the .tar.gz version)
From the same location (don't cd into the xmms-1.2.10 directory yet), apply the patch I've attached:
| Code: | | patch -p0 <xmms-1.2.10.patch |
Get into the directory and follow the usual procedure to build and install the program:
| Code: | cd xmms-1.2.10
./configure
make
su
make install
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Works on every machine I have access to.
--Jeff
Looks like there's no way to attach a file in the forum, so I just posted a copy of it here:
http://www.makewavs.com/xmms-1.2.10.patch |
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dogshu
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Works on every machine I have access to.
--Jeff
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My installation requires a lot more than the patch you posted. My recommendation is to grab the portage snapshot from just before xmms was masked, while its still available:
http://mirror.linux.org.mt/mirror/gentoo/snapshots/portage-20061021.tar.bz2
then extract media-sound/xmms* and media-plugins/xmms-* to your portage overlay directory, and emerge xmms. Works great for me. I love having xmms back, its nice to be able to have my whole collection loaded, and be able to skip around and add and remove items from the playlist without having horrible interface issues. |
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jkcunningham
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What kind of system do you have?
The problem with using the old portage snapshot is that you also have to have GTK-1 and alot of other old libraries which are diverging from the current state.
As I said, my patch works on both a fresh (12/20) ~a64 and even fresher (12/30) ~x86 system, using GTK-2 and nothing unstable. But I started from xmms sources.
-Jeff |
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BasketCase
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| Are you saying that that tiny little IR patch changes xmms from a gtk+-1.2 app to a gtk+-2.0 app? Care to post an ldd output? |
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nenolod
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| DoktorSeven wrote: | | Or you could, you know, install GTK1 manually (not everything has to go through freakin' Portage, you know) and grab one of the XMMS CVS snapshots which has been awesomely stable for me, unlike some other media players we know. |
Thank you for slagging us. How mature. |
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It's a new year. Find something else to complain about.
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