Whither XMMS? [SOLVED]

Dralnu · Veteran Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1919

Nope. I've already got mpd (I had it installed awhile back, just forgot about it).

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Conan · Guru Joined: 02 Nov 2004 Posts: 360

Well, I have no clue what point you are trying to make by masking a package that you are not using on only your system, but I am sure it is a good one!

userwaldo · n00b Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 7

I appreciate the way that the audacious developers have been very responsive and courteous despite the ranting and raving. This has earned my respects for the devs, and it will probably become my replacment for xmms at some point in the future.

I'm still quite disappointed in the Gentoo Dev teams choice to remove xmms. I think that keyword masking it, or hard masking it would make more sense, since it still works for most people. It seems such a waste to just through out all the dev work that went into putting xmms and all the plugins into portage in the first place.

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ahurst · Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: XMMS Eulogy

Well folks,
we've learnt a lot through all of this - I certainly have anyway.

From being one of the first to passionately implore portage maintainers not to drop it, I've seriously considered becoming the maintainer for it myself, and I've gone through a long hard look at XMMS from a potential developer's viewpoint, finally resigning myself to agree with the Gentoo maintainers, and the father of Audacious.

Still, funerals aren't to be enjoyed.

XMMS is a victim of its own success. The original developers made a wonderful application, which I'm sure graces most linux desktops in the world today. But being complete, nothing remained for the developers but to fix the bugs that trickled through.
As the developers left, and other projects started switching away from GTK+ 1, it became far too large a job for XMMS maintainers to look after XMMS, and GTK, and all the plugins in use. Thus, while work on the successor to XMMS began, upstream development ceased, and the huge burden fell to be caught by our noble Gentoo maintainers.

The only other viable option left for XMMS was to move to GTK+ 2, which is what BMP, BMPx, and Audacious have all grown from, with Audacious the only horse left in the race.
Audacious is very much an alive and kicking project. The difference this makes has been demonstrated on this thread over and again, and I for one have become very grateful that such an alternative exists, let alone has its main developer running around our forum and pandering to our needs!

The userbase, and forum support, is one of the things that makes Gentoo great.

But, it is hard to forget. The death of our friend came as a big surprise to us all - All those users who'd just, well, USED it, for so long, because it just did exactly what we wanted, just how we wanted it.
We were kind of shocked, because we never knew that such a lot of work had already gone into keeping XMMS alive.

So if one thing be learned, I think with such an enormous userbase, a little space could've been spared in the GWN to announce the maintainer's departure, and the sound herd's decision.

Good day to you all,
and happy music listening.

Andy

dogshu · Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject:

Hi all,

I've found that audtool does not meet my needs. For one, there is no equivalent to xmmsctrl's "running" command. Nor is there an equivalent for xmmsctrl's "seek" command. Additionally, audtool always returns a "true" exit code, whether audacious is running or not.

However, apparently xmmsctrl can be ported to work with audacious very easily! Apply this patch to xmmsctrl 1.8:
http://www.netswarm.net/xmmsctrl-1.8-audacious.diff
then change

Santiago_de_Mayo · n00b Joined: 10 Oct 2003 Posts: 24

Everybody seems to say xmms is buggy software and it should be removed. This begs the question: what evidence is there that it is buggy? I have evidence to the contrary.

Check out this article on slashdot.
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/12/145256

I've used xmms since 1998, currently on AMD64. It's rock solid, is ON constantly, never crashes, and has low resource utilization. I use the audiocompress plugin for light compression (just does a great job of keeping an even volume level), put the damn thing on random and let it go on forever.

Audacious is primitive, Amarok is an abomination (clunky, resource hog, and constantly does stuff that it's not supposed to)

Where are the bugs in xmms? xmms is a fine piece of software and I've already copied it to my overlay. I'll use it for the next few years until one of its forked codebases is up to snuff.

Currently it's just the best audio player out there.

BasketCase · n00b Joined: 02 Sep 2003 Posts: 67 Location: Orlando, FL

The bugs in xmms aren't really runtime bugs that users would encounter. They are bugs requiring major patchwork to get xmms (and its gtk1 dependancy) to compile on a modern system. XMMS works flawlessly as long as someone spends a lot of work coaxing it into compiling for you which nobody is willing to do anymore.

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dogshu · Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject:

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nenolod · Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject:

dogshu · Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject:

Dominique_71 · Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject:

pid · n00b Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 15

imo audacious is (will be) a good successor to xmms... i guess its a well coded app, kept up to date and in really active development, which is a big plus (and i like the standard skin :])
i like to see all the plugins ported as quick as the demand is there, and for my point, i like having libprojectM as plugin in audacious, as i have it in xmms.
though audacious just cant, at the moment, fit my needs, as i just need a FAST (yes, capsup writing sucks, but its just SO important :\) and minimalistic audioplayer, which gives me a quick shortcut to BlahBlehBluh - LaLeLaLuLe (UbaLaDuDaDeb Mix) when i hit the "j" button and type in lalela.
xmms does that in far under half a second in my ~20k playlist, under audacious, it just takes ages (remember s.o. writing in this thread that this is some problem with gtk or so, couldnt it be that "inventing" some extended .m3u format which saves the metadata, dir struct, id3 tags etc in a file, which is always kept in memory of audacious would make the quicksearch a little faster? i remember a dictionary app searching through a huge wordlist in almost realtime using egrep... i dont know either, dont have any coding skills or so :\)
the new format could also prevent the metadata from being loaded everytime the app is loaded, which is the case with my conf., though i know of the feature of disabling it but then i dont have the minutes shown in the playlist.
though im asking me, when looking through a .m3u file, that all of the metadata is saved in it already:

Aefron · n00b Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 41

First, I need to say hello there...

Well... just ran an update that should have been done alot earlier... and had to admit xmms is about to disappear... weak... though I can understand the maintainers got bored with fixing something which sure ends up working, but seems to require heavy patching to be compiled under recent gcc... I was just asking myself if it was the case with the recent xmms cvs snapshots from august (the link has been posted earlier here... but I'm too lazy and it is too late for me to read all of this once more), though that does not change much if no stable release is to come with the cvs activity.

I am not that reluctant to switch to something else (won't be the first nor the last time)... but there's something I am really gonna miss : xmmsmplayer...

It allowed me to play media files, wether they were music or videos, through the same player... which is a killer feature to me (like clean desktops with the less bloat possible... mplayer was only loaded when needed, not requiring any unnecessary effort, while only the light xmms was loaded the rest of time...)...

Would any of you know of a way to make another basically-made-for-music-and-lightweight player use mplayer as a backend to render videofiles? I do not even need something as good as xmmsmplayer (for instance I don't need the ability to make all videos play in the same window, as I use a triple screen setup, with one screen devoted to video display)... just something that launches mplayer with some command line parameters and makes it possible to control pause, searching through the file and volume...

Corona688 · Veteran Joined: 10 Jan 2004 Posts: 1204

How does one make the hideous GTK2 file dialog act like the usable GTK1 one?
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nenolod · Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:44 am Post subject:

Corona688 · Veteran Joined: 10 Jan 2004 Posts: 1204

I have compiled the SVN version, but for the life of me can't find the option. Where's it hidden?
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Corona688 · Veteran Joined: 10 Jan 2004 Posts: 1204

It needed to be installed for the configuration options to appear, it wouldn't work right when run from the build directory. Thanks.
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emax · n00b Joined: 17 Oct 2003 Posts: 7 Location: Germany

I never, NEVER had any Problems when using xmms. I only have problems since xmms is masked.

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