Is this a sign for things to come? [XMMS Removal]

nenolod · Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:35 am Post subject:

It's going away, Dralnu. Please live with it and quit inciting a dramatic scenewhoring.

Thanks.

timeBandit · Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject:

Dralnu · Veteran Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 1919

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cromozon · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject:

ohh well, i tried audacious, and i must admit I'm pleasantly surprised, my play list now spans > 6000 tracks and everything seems to run excellent, cpu @ 0.0%, it evens seems like the music sound even smoother, but thats probably just me

Daytona · n00b Joined: 01 Aug 2005 Posts: 55 Location: EN51vt

I just learned of this today when I happened to visit the XMMS site to get some plugins for XMMS on the Knoppix LiveCD I'm using while out of the country on business. (I run Knoppix off of a USB stick on the work laptop when I'm not working- let me rephrase that- when I'm out of the office

)
While I, like many others, dislike this decision, I understand it as well. The few other times I actually visited the XMMS site, it's always the same. No news, no development. Which, for me, was always fine, because I have had no problems whatsoever- it's always just worked, from way back when I started with Red Hat 6. And fortunately, as has been pointed out many times, we use Gentoo, and can simply create an overlay to keep XMMS (which will be my first order of business upon returning home, after seeing the lady, and getting new tires on my truck).
So, tough decision, sucks for me, but not near enough to pull me away from Gentoo. Nothing I've tried has worked better or had the flexibility that Gentoo offers, which is the very thing that will allow us to keep XMMS on our systems despite its removal from portage.

Muddy · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject:

I can sum up my feelings on this as simply "Audacious is 1/2 of what XMMS is",
I've never found a way to load more than 256 songs in Audacious, in XMMS I've never found a limit.
That alone kills audacious for me, that and nothing I've found is a fast, efficient or easy to use as XMMS.

LONG LIVE XMMS!!!

aidy · l33t Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 915

ahurst · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject:

Hello,
I believe this is a sign of things to come.

The interesting point for me is why the upstream development of XMMS stopped.
It is a victim of its own success.

It was essentially finished, did everything everyone asked of it, and was adopted as one of the most used and most widespread linux applications in history, running on nearly every user's desktop on the most obscure HW/SW variants.

All that remained was to fix it as compilers/OS's/GTK+ changed and moved on around it.
Have a read through the bugzilla and you'll see what I mean.

A warning to linux app developers everywhere - build as monolithically as you can, and never ever complete your app!

Andy

Corona688 · Veteran Joined: 10 Jan 2004 Posts: 1204

The biggest change was GTK+. That is not a small change! As it happens there are some people who went and did convert it to GTK2 despite the enormous changes. It's called Audacious now.
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chashab

xmms works great. i don't care if upstream no longer supports it, isn't this what gentoo is about? choice about what i get to run? if i wanted a minimal set of support apps that were not buggy, i would use ubuntu.

audacious may have improved over the years since it forked from xmms, but it still pales in comparison. i have over 13000 loaded in xmms. i hit j and the jump dialog comes up immediately and i can start typing right away. audacious takes seconds before i can type. other tasks have similar results, audacious is just slow to respond all the time.

if xmms is dead fine, mask it if you want but leave it in portage! this is gentoo, give me the choice if i want to run a dead piece of software!

LONG LIVE XMMS!

vipernicus

nenolod · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject:

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chashab · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject:

bugaboo · n00b Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Posts: 8 Location: Brasil

I do not respect a linux distro without XMMS on its official packages!
XMMS has the Linux Soul(tm). Everything has to be done thinking in XMMS first! If KDE bugs with it, remove KDE! If CUPS bugs with it, remove CUPS! If all system bugs, remove the system! Leave XMMS alone!

XMMS > Gentoo :lol:

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bugaboo · n00b Joined: 02 Jul 2006 Posts: 8 Location: Brasil

Look how this is funny, I wrote "xmms" on search field, the only topics with the word "xmms" were these:

-> revdep rebuild failes because of xmms [solved]
-> Video/Sound stopped working after XMMS removal
-> getting rid of xmms
-> XMMS going away... What to use?
-> Whither XMMS? [SOLVED]
-> Unstable xmms is a dependency [solved]
-> No sound since gentoo reinstalled & compiled without xmms
-> why my all ebuilds about xmms are maksed?
-> What use to play all sounds without XMMS

Since when we have this forum? I think it isn't new.. And, wow, so many problems with xmms, huh? Its breaking
gentoo boxes since the beggining, ha! Ok, I'm not a programmer, but it's hard to swallow that is something
impossible to maintain together with another programs. Buggy? I'm using it for about 5 or 6 years without a
damn problem. Don't come with "you can still use, just put it in the overlay thing!". Xmms HAS to be there, it's
a symbol, maybe we can suggest Linus to put built-in or as a module right inside the kernel code!!

LOL! please, join www.xmms.org , it's up-to-date. :lol:

It's all about choice isn't it? So I don't use gentoo anymore, it's buggy.

dalu · Guru Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Posts: 530

bugaboo is right tho, xmms is bigger than gentoo or any distro

and concerning the attitude of some developers "if you don't like it gtfo", i suggest you do that yourself.
i remember a time where people like you would get banned for that kind of attitude.

i no longer recommend gentoo for servers, and with actions like these you'll surely lose me and my recommendation for desktop use.
with xmms' hardmasking a big weight just dropped on the contra side.
i know, you don't give a fuck, it's alright.

bring back xmms i say.

Sachankara · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:52 pm Post subject:

What the f**k is wrong with you people? The Gentoo developers use their spare time to maintain Gentoo, and if they feel that maintaining something old and buggy is a waste of time, then it's their choice. If you think their spare time should be wasted on stuff they aren't even interested in maintaining, then you should go and get a clue. Why not maintain it yourself if you think it so easy?

Sure, there are some packages that I'd like to have in Portage, but if noone is interested in maintaining the ebuilds/patches and I don't think I can be a maintainer myself, then I guess I'll have to install the packages the plain old way: ./configure && make && make install . It isn't very hard to install programs manually you know.

If you demand that the Gentoo developers should do stuff they aren't interested in, you should pay them for it. Start a fund and pay a developer to work on XMMS if you don't want to do the work yourselves.
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Corona688 · Veteran Joined: 10 Jan 2004 Posts: 1204

I've said it before and I've said it again. XMMS isn't dead. It's still here. They just call it Audacious now.

Really people. Is the name that bad that you won't consider it "true" XMMS? I don't like the name, it's too close to Audacity but that's no reason to hate the program. Yes, it's got bugs. So does the "pure" XMMS. The difference is, they can be, and are being fixed in the new fork. They've even got the traditional replacement for the hated GTK+ file dialog in their SVN version, by popular request.

I did have a thought though. Instead of trying to keep the same source compiling forever with the same outdated libraries, how about xmms-bin? An all-static installationless version that doesn't need the old GTK+ shared libraries.
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chashab · Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject:

this flame war is proving interesting. i'd like to point out a few errors:

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