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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see anything else that might expalin the difference. You can try different kernels but I doubt this will solve the problem, because if you were using the wrong driver you would get approximately 2mb/s.

Now I have some questions.
Can you guys start glxgears and tell me what output they get?
I get :
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kreuters@inspiron kreuters $ glxgears
15044 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3008.800 FPS
15044 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3008.800 FPS


running KDE and different programs (xmms, etc.).

I get around 3800fps on an Athlon 1800+ with a GeForce 3 ti 200, so I was wondering why my i8.5k cant do better.
The performance in UT2003 seems higher, but I haven't tried to benchmark it yet.

Last thing. Dell admitted recently that some of their 15.4 displays were defective. These screens are subject to "burn-in"s, and mine is one of these : I left it for like 10 minutes with Mozilla open, and when I came back and closed it, the screen had it "printed" on it, as a ghost image. If I then use some application that intensively refreshs the screen (ut2003, or the such), then the ghost image kind of leaves, but it usually takes 1 week before it is totally gone. By that time though, something else has replaced it.

It is not that easy to notice the burnins. You have to set a flat background to see them well. I use color #434343.

According to a German newspaper I read, Dell hasn't said if they were going to replace all these screens for free, given the high number of concerned laptops....
http://heise.de/newsticker/data/jwe-17.06.03-000/

edit : only 1920x1200 screens are affected.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, i'd like to coment on the screens. I just got my laptop 3 weeks ago, and earlier this week i noticed the burn in problem. This is really wierd since lcd screen arn't suppose to have this problem. I called up dell tech support on a saturday and they told me they'd shipa replaacement screen down to an affilate down here where i live, and they'll come to my house and replace it for me. I'm just workied that after 3 week i'll have more burn ins :-\
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for glxgears....
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 $ glxgears
12832 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2566.400 FPS
13323 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2664.600 FPS
13366 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2673.200 FPS
13123 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2624.600 FPS

What the hell?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, you are getting normal results.
What kernel are you using?

glxgears isn't a great benchmark. I've noticed that it rather benchmarks the processor. I guess it is mainly a program to check whether the GLX extension works.

I have a friend who has almost the same machine as I do (desktop athlon 2000+, GeForce 3 ti 200) and who is getting 2500fps as well with an ac kernel.

As to the screen.. where do you live? I can't get mine replaced here in France, because I'd have to send my laptop back to Ireland, and since I am moving to California in a month's time, I'm afraid they might not send back the laptop in time. I'll just wait... I got the 3yrs international warranty.

Wait, did you just say they would replace the screen AT YOUR HOUSE? Meaning, the guy shows up with a screwdriver and a new screen in a plastic bag, and does it all in front of your amazed eyes? cool!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KeithReuters wrote:
yeah, you are getting normal results.
What kernel are you using?

glxgears isn't a great benchmark. I've noticed that it rather benchmarks the processor. I guess it is mainly a program to check whether the GLX extension works.

I have a friend who has almost the same machine as I do (desktop athlon 2000+, GeForce 3 ti 200) and who is getting 2500fps as well with an ac kernel.

As to the screen.. where do you live? I can't get mine replaced here in France, because I'd have to send my laptop back to Ireland, and since I am moving to California in a month's time, I'm afraid they might not send back the laptop in time. I'll just wait... I got the 3yrs international warranty.

Wait, did you just say they would replace the screen AT YOUR HOUSE? Meaning, the guy shows up with a screwdriver and a new screen in a plastic bag, and does it all in front of your amazed eyes? cool!


My games aren't hurting any, so I'm not worried about that. As for the kernel version, i'm using ac-sources-2.4.21-r1 and am upgrading to ac-sources-2.4.21-r2 right now.
I live in Delaware, US. When I called dell tech support i commented that i have the complete care warrenty and should get this fixxed locally, but the tech lady said that since i've had the laptop for less than 30 days it's not a problem. And as far as I gathered, a guy will be coming to my house tomorrow to replace it. The tech lady on the phone said that they'd overnight the screen to someone down here and that they'd be giving me a call on tuesday. I'll let you know exactly what happens tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, a repair guy is going to come by my house in a few hours to replace the screen.

I have a question, do you guys notice the laptop gets extremely hot? I'm dual booting it w/windows xp right now ( wireless card won't work in linux), and it doesn't get as hot as it does in linux, not nearly.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just realized something. If you boot off the livecd, when you close the lid, the power goes off to the monitor, and when you lift it back up the monitor comes back on! how is it doing this?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no clue as to how it does it, but I have an update to the gotosleep script.

Code:

sync
xset dpms force off
echo 1 > /proc/acpi/sleep
hwclock --hctosys


That syncs the HD in case of low battery or who knows what. Press the power button to turn the screen back on.

As for the laptop getting hot, yes I've noticed that too. It seems to get colder when the CPU is not being used, but I noticed it is fairly colder when running XP. Maybe it comes from the fact that the linux kernel doesnt support all of the sleep states of the I8.5k. Who knows.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, so in the output of dmesg I get this when it starts loading acpi:

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ACPI: RSDP (v000 DELL                       ) @ 0x000fdf00
ACPI: RSDT (v001 DELL    CPi R   10195.00782) @ 0x2fff0000
ACPI: FADT (v001 DELL    CPi R   10195.00782) @ 0x2fff0400
ACPI: DSDT (v001 INT430 SYSFexxx 00000.04097) @ 0x00000000
ACPI: BIOS passes blacklist
ACPI: MADT not present
Dell Inspiron with broken BIOS detected. Refusing to enable the local APIC.


I also have noticed that my hardware clock has been losing time... What's the deal? Is something in my BIOS busted?? That would definitely explain why it doesn't work...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What BIOS version do you have? You should consider rolling back to A01, I heard that A02 breaks things in ACPI. I'm going to try A03 and post if it works fine.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KeithReuters wrote:
What BIOS version do you have? You should consider rolling back to A01, I heard that A02 breaks things in ACPI. I'm going to try A03 and post if it works fine.

If you're going to try the new bios versions, try out the dsdt patches this guys has....
http://ltswww.epfl.ch/~dsanta/resources/dell-i8500-linux
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have it in front of me right now, but I am pretty sure that I have A01.... I'll have to check tonight when I go home.... If A03 works for you, then maybe i will try that... I contacted Dell tech support but haven't gotten a real response yet...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I am now using A03. I haven't noticed any visible changes, except for the system diagnostics.

Maybe the message a boot up is something normal because the kernel expects an inspiron 8000 or 7500 or something.

ACPI works fine here anyway, even though I get the message.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me again, I did a reinstall for varies reasons, and i'm trying to set up closing lid suspend again and it isn't working. i have acpid started, and both /etc/acpi/events/closelid and /etc/acpi/sleep, but when i press the little lid botton that tell if its closed or not, nothing happens. This is the output of /var/log/acpid...
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[Wed Jun 25 13:12:21 2003] received event "button/lid LID 00000080 00000006"
[Wed Jun 25 13:12:21 2003] executing action "/etc/acpi/sleep"
[Wed Jun 25 13:12:21 2003] BEGIN HANDLER MESSAGES
/bin/sh: line 30: `start-single-daemon': not a valid identifier
[Wed Jun 25 13:12:21 2003] END HANDLER MESSAGES
[Wed Jun 25 13:12:21 2003] action exited with status 2
[Wed Jun 25 13:12:21 2003] completed event "button/lid LID 00000080 00000006"


any ideas?

btw, i can execute /etc/acpi/sleep manually and it deos work
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i consider buyind this dell laptop. how about the cpu cooler? is it on all the time and when it is on, how loud is it?
and what about tv out?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I have been having a lot of trouble getting time to work on my laptop, but I did manage to flash the BIOS to version A03 (it was on A01), but it had no effect..... Apparently there is some dell diagnostic CD that will help me find out more about what is wrong...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hjlane3 wrote:
Me again, I did a reinstall for varies reasons, and i'm trying to set up closing lid suspend again and it isn't working. i have acpid started, and both /etc/acpi/events/closelid and /etc/acpi/sleep, but when i press the little lid botton that tell if its closed or not, nothing happens. This is the output of /var/log/acpid...
Code:
[Wed Jun 25 13:12:21 2003] received event "button/lid LID 00000080 00000006"
[Wed Jun 25 13:12:21 2003] executing action "/etc/acpi/sleep"
[Wed Jun 25 13:12:21 2003] BEGIN HANDLER MESSAGES
/bin/sh: line 30: `start-single-daemon': not a valid identifier
[Wed Jun 25 13:12:21 2003] END HANDLER MESSAGES
[Wed Jun 25 13:12:21 2003] action exited with status 2
[Wed Jun 25 13:12:21 2003] completed event "button/lid LID 00000080 00000006"


any ideas?

btw, i can execute /etc/acpi/sleep manually and it deos work



yeah, put #!/bin/bash
on the first line of the script that'll take care of it :)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fully Functional Script:

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#!/bin/bash
sync
/usr/X11R6/bin/xset dpms force off
echo 1 > /proc/acpi/sleep
hwclock --hctosys
/usr/X11R6/bin/xset dpms force on

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This will make it so when you push the power button to wake the computer, the screen will come back on. I had to include the full path, because /usr/X11R8/bin is not in roots path. I am currently studying how to make the screen and sleep both "auto awake" when the lid is lifted.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So appartently my BIOS is fine and my hardware clock is fine, it has something to do with linux... So I tried last night to upgrade my ac-sources to ac4 and this time it had the speedstep-ich module... so i compiled that in as a module and rebooted, but still got the same error message and still no power button functionality... I even stopped acpid and did cat /proc/acpi/event and it told me when I pressed the power button... What else can I do to troubleshoot? I am in uncharted waters right now and not sure where to go next.... Maybe I am enabling options in the kernel that I shouldn't be... The only thing i can think of is that I enabled Dell laptop support in the Processor type and features section.... Should it be ok to enable that? (It seems to be dealing with the same area of the laptop - power management/fan control...)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, as it turns out, the problem was not the BIOS and was not Linux.... Which leaves one option. I seem to have forgotten to enable the power management option, and thus nothing worked... duh... although I could make the argument that I thought it had to do with APM, and that is why I didn't know I had to enable it, but it was right there in the help... Oh well, part of the learning process. At least everything works now. :)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KeithReuters wrote:
Well, I finally have 2 questions :

Also, using either ac or gentoo-sources with the ACPI patch disables the fn+F1, F2 and F3 keys (meaning no battery information available, since I am not crazy enough to use the buggy support mentionned on G. Wilford's page). Has anyone found a work around?


Lift the bottom of the laptop up and push the battery level button ;)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone been able to get the headphone socket to work?

I have been through the ALSA guide on the gentoo site, and have xmms working through the laptop speakers, but I cant get the headphone socket to produce any sound at all. I have run alsamixer and set the headphone socket to 100%, but nothing happens...

Any ideas?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

headphones work fine for me, run alsamixer and you'll notice there's a seperate control for the headphones volume...
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As I said, I have the headphone setting to maxiumum...
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