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Hum, so I did get it right? There's a port of compiz to e17?? *.*
I was looking at those eye candy effects and wondering how they could like at e17...
I'll try this out!
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I'm using CVS snapshots, and there's a new one out:
http://enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news/show&l=en&news_id=5
Any chance that the Enlightenment Overlay will be updated with that? Would be much appreciated!
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| For the record, I just gave up on waiting for a E17 release! |
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| pmatos wrote: | | For the record, I just gave up on waiting for a E17 release! |
ROFLMAO!
Enlightenment has never ever released anything. It is project Nr. 2 on sourceforge (note that Nr.1 is sourceforge itself), but until now there have only been DR's, which means developer release. Though compared to what KDE calls a stable release currently, E17 is solid as a rock! 
So you may want to grab the latest E17 snapshot "release", imagine it being something like KDE 3.5.9 is in terms of "release" and enjoy using it.
(The overlay could really need some update though)
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| gimpel wrote: | | pmatos wrote: | | For the record, I just gave up on waiting for a E17 release! |
ROFLMAO!
Enlightenment has never ever released anything. It's is project Nr. 2 on sourceforge (note that Nr.1 is sourceforge itself), but until now there have only been DR's, which means developer release. Though compared to what KDE calls a stable release currently, E17 is solid as a rock! |
1 . They have releases on E16. If they haven't released E17 it's for a reason. If it is solid as a rock, it should have been released. I've also wandered E17 MLs through quite a while: also didn't like the competition that existed between the developers of ETK and EWL.
2 . What do you mean by Enlightenment being Nr 2 on SF? Not the 2nd most active or the 2nd with most commits... If you do mean the 2nd being created it is statistically meaningless given that a project might be old but inactive. Inactive projects don't get deleted. If SF implemented a system of minimum releases a year, then Enlightenment would be one of the first well-knwon projects to go probably.
I love E16, I've tried E17 but it makes me mad the way this is being organized. In my opinion the project has great developers, Rasterman being one of them but no leader. Rasterman has that position but it seems to be leading nothing, and that's unfortunate. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| pmatos wrote: | | gimpel wrote: | | pmatos wrote: | | For the record, I just gave up on waiting for a E17 release! |
ROFLMAO!
Enlightenment has never ever released anything. It's is project Nr. 2 on sourceforge (note that Nr.1 is sourceforge itself), but until now there have only been DR's, which means developer release. Though compared to what KDE calls a stable release currently, E17 is solid as a rock! |
1 . They have releases on E16. If they haven't released E17 it's for a reason. If it is solid as a rock, it should have been released. I've also wandered E17 MLs through quite a while: also didn't like the competition that existed between the developers of ETK and EWL. |
Nope, it's DR 0.16 - a developer release.
The competition between EWL and ETK indeed exists, but the creation of ETK made the EWL devs go home and make their code usable.
Unfortunately the effect of joined efforts went missing here...
| Quote: | | 2 . What do you mean by Enlightenment being Nr 2 on SF? Not the 2nd most active or the 2nd with most commits... If you do mean the 2nd being created it is statistically meaningless given that a project might be old but inactive. Inactive projects don't get deleted. If SF implemented a system of minimum releases a year, then Enlightenment would be one of the first well-knwon projects to go probably. |
Nr. 2 in means of creation time. The first project ever registered on sourceforge is sourceforge itself, the second is Enlightenment. Still active. I think that means something.
| Quote: | | I love E16, I've tried E17 but it makes me mad the way this is being organized. In my opinion the project has great developers, Rasterman being one of them but no leader. Rasterman has that position but it seems to be leading nothing, and that's unfortunate. |
Raster IS a leader, he has final saying about what happens, and he is active, and the dev's talk on IRC to him if things they coded are OK to commit.
What exactly are you missing? 
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have you noticed that e_modules-notification and if you created e_modules-iiirk install themselfs not in E17 modules directory but in /usr/share?
any idea how to solve it?
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| nbvcxz wrote: | have you noticed that e_modules-notification and if you created e_modules-iiirk install themselfs not in E17 modules directory but in /usr/share?
any idea how to solve it? |
Yeah realized that too. ./configure --prefix=/usr instead of econf in the ebuild helps. The autofoo is b0rked it seems for those two.
This works: http://gimpel.ath.cx/svn/ecomp/x11-plugins/e_modules-iiirk/e_modules-iiirk-9999.ebuild
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big thanks gimpel
I tried with src_install but with no luck, but the trick with NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh works
btw. do you know how to contact with Vapier - there are a lot of programs and new modules for E17 that are not included in the official overlay - so I would be nice to upgrade it .
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I'm not sure what's the preferred way for him regarding the overlay, but generally vapier @ gentoo.org
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about the engine:
since my pc is a old piece p3 733 coppermine
i would like to know what engine i should use to the graphic (that has half of the age, fx5200 128mb) help the enlightenment to gets more light...
soft?
xrender?
soft_16?
should i use composite?
what cache flush interval would you recommend?
i maked size font cache 4mb and image 32mb
the number of edge files 64 and collections 128 collections
ps: i have 512 mb
pps: is there any enlightenment official forum? or something like that? |
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That is a pretty good graphics card you have there! The best engine in e17 for now is software,- it is faster than any other. software16 is probably only for hand-held devices. With that graphics card you can probably use composite, but you will need a composite manager to run too. Some options are the bling or bang modules or the ecomorph+modified e, but in my opinion none of them are really that stable.
E17 webpage is at www.enlightenment.org and they have a forum there too.
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DaNe
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ok i thinked that xrender was the best
yes i share the opinion, composite doesnt get great arround e17
(i tried it with bling to experiment engage but no luck just a black square with some uggly bubbles inside)
you have to give me the direct link for forum... i cant find it...
is there anyway to ibox show more than iconified?
is there an alternative to get systray without engage ? [/code] |
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| DaNe wrote: | | ok i thinked that xrender was the best |
That's strange. Xrender was always slower for me on nvidia cards.
| Quote: | yes i share the opinion, composite doesnt get great arround e17
(i tried it with bling to experiment engage but no luck just a black square with some uggly bubbles inside) |
You may want to instead try itask-ng to get an engage like interface which works even without enabling composite!
| Quote: | | you have to give me the direct link for forum... i cant find it... |
Here it is: http://forum.enlightenment.org/
| Quote: | is there anyway to ibox show more than iconified?
is there an alternative to get systray without engage ? [/code] |
I don't use ibox at all. To get a systray, I have installed stalonetray which works pretty good and it starts automatically through e17's "startup applications". There is a bug in enlightenment though: sometimes just before stalonetray swallows the systray icon, the icon gets a window of its own and that window does not disappear after the icon is swallowed by the systray. An e17 restart usually makes that small stray system tray icon window disappear.
With composite enabled, that small window is sometimes persistent and does not disappear until after you have quit the systray application.
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| ppurka wrote: | | You may want to instead try itask-ng to get an engage like interface which works even without enabling composite! |
Has something changed? - Last time when I tried to use itask-ng I need to enable composite to have transparent background (without composite it was black). Is it really possible to use it transparent without composite 
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I guess purkka mixed up itask-ng and winlist-ng regarding the need of composite. Latter one works without, itask-ng needs it.
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| nbvcxz wrote: | | Has something changed? - Last time when I tried to use itask-ng I need to enable composite to have transparent background (without composite it was black). Is it really possible to use it transparent without composite |
| gimpel wrote: | | I guess purkka mixed up itask-ng and winlist-ng regarding the need of composite. Latter one works without, itask-ng needs it. |
Just tried it at Arch distro - WORKS GREAT WITHOUT COMPOSITE. So itask-ng is fully usable even at old machines
btw anybody works with winlist-ng?
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w00t? Didn't know that, and last time I checked I was presented with a black background too. Great stuff!
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stalonetray seems great
tks a lot
that *-ng look too nice to be true.... there is any ebuild for that? i cant find one...
ppurpka: i thinked that xrender was better based on a feeling nothing more |
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Hey, glad you guys figured out that itask-ng works without composite after all
However, there is a nice bug with itask-ng whether you enable or disable composite,- you can not drop (when you drag something) anything to an area which corresponds to the "black" region you used to see earlier. This is most evident when you are using something which relies heavily on the drag and drop criterion,- example rox. I think the bug report is also present in the itask-ng website.
As for whether xrender or software is better: I did the following test quite a long time back. Simply click anywhere on the desktop to get the menu. Then use the mouse scroll to simply scroll! e17 is fast enough to flip through each submenu very very quickly. I had noticed that each submenu is shown much faster with the software engine instead of the xrender engine. Anyway, if you feel xrender is faster, than it is good since it uses the hardware 
EDIT: DaNe There is an ebuild for itask-ng somewhere in this forum, probably in Unsupported.
EDIT2: nbvcxz I haven't worked with winlist-ng for a long time. The reason being that the default window switcher was faster than winlist-ng.
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itask builded ...
itask loaded....
but cannot add it to a shelve... doesnt appear in the options... |
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| DaNe wrote: | | but cannot add it to a shelve... doesnt appear in the options... |
itask-ng is standalone app - it does not uses shelves; to set it up go Configuration Panel -> Extentions -> Itask NG
u should see Bar / Zone - if not just add it
 probably you just can't see it because it is hidden under a shelf - change the placement at screen of your itask and it should be visible
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What exactly are you missing? |
As I found out to answer you properly given last time I tried it was about 2 years ago I'm willing to give it a try.
What's the way to install it from Gentoo? By using layman , enlightenment overlay?
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I was just compiling edge and:
| Code: | i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../.. -I. -I../.. -I../../src/lib -DPACKAGE_BIN_DIR=\"/usr/bin\" -DPACKAGE_LIB_DIR=\"/usr/lib\" -DPACKAGE_DATA_DIR=\"/usr/share/edje\" -march=pentium4 -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -MT edje_data.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/edje_data.Tpo -c edje_data.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/edje_data.o
edje_data.c: In function '_edje_edd_setup':
edje_data.c:81: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
edje_data.c:83: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
edje_data.c:84: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
edje_data.c:85: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
edje_data.c:86: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
edje_data.c:87: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
edje_data.c:88: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
edje_data.c:89: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
edje_data.c:90: error: 'struct <anonymous>' has no member named 'str_direct_alloc'
edje_data.c:91: error: 'struct <anonymous>' has no member named 'str_direct_free'
edje_data.c:97: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:103: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:110: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:119: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:126: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:136: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:145: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:152: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:159: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:166: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:173: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:180: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:187: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:206: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:222: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:228: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:235: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:255: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:261: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:354: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
edje_data.c:380: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast
make[3]: *** [edje_data.lo] Error 1
make[3]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
mv -f .deps/edje_calc.Tpo .deps/edje_calc.Plo
make[3]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/edje-9999/work/e17/libs/edje/src/lib' |
Should I report this to someone or just wait until it is fixed? [Probably mention it in the e-devel mailing list?] |
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