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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject: Radio-LAN with 50m range... Reply with quote

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I am trying to find a unit (or a set of units) that will give me a radio-LAN covering about 50m side to side. I have been looking at the Netgear rangemax but there seem to be a shortage of drivers there... The 50m are between two houses so the signal must be strong enough to travel through ~3 walls (the buildings are made of wood, old houses...). Any suggestions?

I have been thinking about a CAT 6 also, but I do not like the idea of all that digging and drilling...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Netgear Rangemax WPN311 and WPN511 (PCI and Cardbus) are Atheros chipsets, which work quite reliably.

What you really need is pair of point to point antennas, these would probably work nicely: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=239018
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teh install depends a bit on how you want the cards to react on both ends. Do you want point to point. As in a straight shot from point A to point B? Cause if that's the case you could probably go the cheaper route and by a directional antenna, it's also bit more secure as your not blasting your wireless signal to kingdom come.
Do you wanna do this with off the shelf access point type solutions like a linksys, d-link, or netgear solution, or is it ok to do a Computer thing?
Reason I ask that is if you are set on using off the shelf access points and you DON'T want to use directional antennas, you'll have to buy a pretty powerful chipset, usually the atheros chips are the best for hardcore power, ubiquiti mini-pci cards are an example 400mW transmit power! So something like that although I'm not aware of any off the shelf solutions for power like that, you may be able to get by with about 100mW depending on how much water/metal there is between you and the destination.
If however, you wouldn't mind using a computer doubly as an ap and a workstation then you could get a higher powered card easier and for a bit less cost. But keep in mind the more unabaited uni-directional power the easier you are to attack. A theif can get alot more from you sitting a mile away than he can if he's in a car outside your front door. Even if it's WPA, and especially if you're using WEP.
So, I'd suggest a directional antenna to start and then scale your power from there till you get the connection conditions you want so you don't overkill and make yourself a target.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I have found a solution that I think will suffice.

* A ADSL/router/4port switch/802.11g, unidirectional
* A bi-directional unit, ZSR1124WE

Both have antennas that can be exchanged and it is fairly cheap (1300 sek, ~ 180 USD).

Thx for the help, input is always good and this forum is awsome! (The best reason for using gentoo in my book).
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For starters, I wouldn't buy D-Link. If I were you, I'd pick up two cheap PCI cards (anything Atheros based will work) and a pair of cheap, external, directional antennas. Mount them outside, run the cable through a window, and just run an unsecured link with a VPN over the top (making sure to leave nothing but the VPN open to the wireless link).
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just build a cantenna for each end. You'll have range to spare. You can get the connectors and pigtails here.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkeh wrote:
For starters, I wouldn't buy D-Link.
- Why? Is D-link a bad suggestion all over or is it just this product?

What I want is this:
* A network covering the main-building (that is where we live), for that I intend to use the ADSL device. It will be positioned under under the stairs (the signal strength of the standard antenna should be enough anyway).
* The extra router beside the ADSL-box, if needed I will drill a hole in the wall, connect a stronger directional antenna, mount it outside and point it at the apartment but I hope the 6dB bi-directional antenna that comes with the device is strong enough.

* Something I can set up relatively easy and fast (I do not have time this spring for much else than my PhD-thesis (It will take all my time and then some...), so no cantennas or similar (under other circumstances I'd love it, but not now...)

Monkeh wrote:
If I were you, I'd pick up two cheap PCI cards (anything Atheros based will work) and a pair of cheap, external, directional antennas. Mount them outside, run the cable through a window, and just run an unsecured link with a VPN over the top (making sure to leave nothing but the VPN open to the wireless link).
For that I will need a computer/server here running 24/7, I don't have or intend to get one soon (e. g build one ;-)) so good suggestion but not for me, not now...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D-Link are a bad idea, full stop. I've had really bad experiences, and they have a habit of hammering stratum 1 NTP servers without permission..

You might want to look into getting a soekris, or a wrap. With an ADSL modem (PCI or ethernet) and one or two atheros cards, you've got a router and wireless AP, with whatever software you like (up to and including Gentoo).
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkeh wrote:
D-Link are a bad idea, full stop. I've had really bad experiences, and they have a habit of hammering stratum 1 NTP servers without permission..
Ok, good to know. I have seen ratings of 6-8 of 10 for a lot of D-link devices, the problems seem to be fireware-related and get fixed after a while. About the NTP-problem, did they not get sued and stopped shipping crap like that? Maby the problems are worse and more common than what I have read...

Monkeh wrote:
You might want to look into getting a soekris, or a wrap. With an ADSL modem (PCI or ethernet) and one or two atheros cards, you've got a router and wireless AP, with whatever software you like (up to and including Gentoo).

I have been looking at the soekris version but that'll have to wait until fall when I get time.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lemma wrote:
Monkeh wrote:
D-Link are a bad idea, full stop. I've had really bad experiences, and they have a habit of hammering stratum 1 NTP servers without permission..
Ok, good to know. I have seen ratings of 6-8 of 10 for a lot of D-link devices, the problems seem to be fireware-related and get fixed after a while. About the NTP-problem, did they not get sued and stopped shipping crap like that? Maby the problems are worse and more common than what I have read...


With many D-Link devices, firmware updates make things worse. As for the NTP, I think they stopped shipping such devices, but I'll never buy from them again anyway. If they'll do it once, they'll do it again, and again..
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkeh wrote:
With many D-Link devices, firmware updates make things worse. As for the NTP, I think they stopped shipping such devices, but I'll never buy from them again anyway. If they'll do it once, they'll do it again, and again..
Trying to fix a bug with a firmware update and making it worse - what I nightmare! Ok, so are there other brands that are any good? 3Com used to make good and stable NIC's, and how about Netgear?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Linksys should be pretty good, can't say about anything else.. I'm a DIY man.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Linksys WRT54GL seem to be a very good choise. Cheap, two detachable antennas and (with modified firmware) the possibility of modifying the output signal strength to fit my needs. With this device I get something I can play with as much as I want and have time to do ;-).
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, that should do you nicely.
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