Gentoo Forums
Gentoo Forums
Gentoo Forums
Quick Search: in
Yet another problem with fglrx drivers
View unanswered posts
View posts from last 24 hours
View posts from last 7 days

 
Reply to topic    Gentoo Forums Forum Index Desktop Environments
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
ShodoPan
n00b
n00b


Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Posts: 14

PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:24 am    Post subject: Yet another problem with fglrx drivers Reply with quote

So! I installed the ati drivers according to the HOWTO. But I'm still getting mesa3d listed instead of radeon. Here are some bits up front, let me know if there's anything else I should post.

Code:
youngian@localhost ~ $ LIBGL_DEBUG="verbose" glxinfo
name of display: :0.0
libGL error: XF86DRIQueryDirectRenderingCapable returned false
libGL error: XF86DRIQueryDirectRenderingCapable returned false
display: :0  screen: 0
direct rendering: No
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
server glx extensions:
    GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
    GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_OML_swap_method,
    GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_hyperpipe,
    GLX_SGIX_swap_barrier, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig
client glx vendor string: ATI
client glx version string: 1.3
client glx extensions:
    GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context,
    GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_ARB_multisample,
    GLX_ATI_pixel_format_float, GLX_ATI_render_texture
GLX version: 1.2
GLX extensions:
    GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context,
    GLX_ARB_multisample
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.1)
OpenGL extensions:
    GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp,
    GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add,
    GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3,
    GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_blend_color,
    GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_texture_env_add,
    GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3,
    GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias

   visual  x  bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer  ms  cav
 id dep cl sp sz l  ci b ro  r  g  b  a bf th cl  r  g  b  a ns b eat
----------------------------------------------------------------------
0x23 24 tc  0 24  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  0  0 16  0  0  0  0  0  0 0 None
0x24 24 tc  0 24  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  0  0 16  8 16 16 16  0  0 0 None
0x25 24 tc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 16  8 16 16 16 16  0 0 None
0x26 24 tc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 16  8 16 16 16 16  0 0 None
0x27 24 dc  0 24  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  0  0 16  0  0  0  0  0  0 0 None
0x28 24 dc  0 24  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  0  0 16  8 16 16 16  0  0 0 None
0x29 24 dc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 16  8 16 16 16 16  0 0 None
0x2a 24 dc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 16  8 16 16 16 16  0 0 None


Code:
youngian@localhost ~ $ eselect opengl list
Available OpenGL implementations:
  [1]   ati *
  [2]   xorg-x11


Code:
youngian@localhost ~ $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
        (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(EE) fglrx(0): [agp] unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENODEV"
(EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable


Code:
youngian@localhost ~ $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep WW
        (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such file or directory)
(WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
(WW) fglrx(0): ***********************************************
(WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed!                  *
(WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
(WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO)             *
(WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available                *
(WW) fglrx(0): ********************************************* *
(WW) fglrx(0): Option "VendorName" is not used
(WW) fglrx(0): Option "ModelName" is not used


Code:
youngian@localhost ~ $ lsmod
Module                  Size  Used by
snd_seq_midi            6688  0
snd_seq_midi_event      6656  1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq                40496  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_pcm_oss            34592  0
snd_mixer_oss          13568  1 snd_pcm_oss
fuse                   35348  2
fglrx                 397388  0
agpgart                24008  1 fglrx
snd_cs46xx             70472  4
snd_rawmidi            17824  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_cs46xx
snd_seq_device          6280  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi
snd_ac97_codec         80032  1 snd_cs46xx
snd_ac97_bus            2944  1 snd_ac97_codec
snd_pcm                57732  5 snd_pcm_oss,snd_cs46xx,snd_ac97_codec
snd_timer              17156  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd                    37988  15 snd_seq,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_cs46xx,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer
soundcore               7520  1 snd
snd_page_alloc          7944  2 snd_cs46xx,snd_pcm


Code:
youngian@localhost ~ $ dmesg | grep fglrx
fglrx: module license 'Proprietary. (C) 2002 - ATI Technologies, Starnberg, GERMANY' taints kernel.
[fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 804 MBytes.
[fglrx] module loaded - fglrx 8.30.3 [Oct 26 2006] on minor 0
[fglrx] Internal AGP is not supported in 2.6 kernel.
[fglrx:firegl_unlock] *ERROR* Process 6628 using kernel context 0
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Darknight
Guru
Guru


Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 483
Location: Italy

PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:48 am    Post subject: Re: Yet another problem with fglrx drivers Reply with quote

ShodoPan wrote:
Code:
youngian@localhost ~ $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
        (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(EE) fglrx(0): [agp] unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENODEV"
(EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable


Seems you are missing agp support in your kernel? Check your config, you may have to enable agp as a whole and/or the driver for your chipset.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ShodoPan
n00b
n00b


Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Posts: 14

PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did that, at least, I think I did (I'm a noob when it comes to compiling a custom kernel). Options are:
Code:
<M> /dev/agpgart (AGP Support)
<M> ATI Chipset
<M> VIA Chipset


The VIA is what I was told, I believe on #gentoo, is the correct chipset support. Here's my system info:

Code:

localhost linux # lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82875P/E7210 Memory Controller Hub (rev 02)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82875P Processor to AGP Controller (rev 02)
00:03.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82875P/E7210 Processor to PCI to CSA Bridge (rev 02)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev c2)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 02)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) IDE Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller (rev 02)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600]
01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600] (Secondary)
02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82547EI Gigabit Ethernet Controller
03:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] (rev 01)
03:02.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB12LV26 IEEE-1394 Controller (Link)
03:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 0c)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Darknight
Guru
Guru


Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 483
Location: Italy

PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's your lsmod output?
Compare your lsmod output with the names of the modules you need (you can see their names looking in menuconfig using the help button). You may have to load them if they are missing, using modprobe.
I'd just compile them in-kernel, using * instead of M in menuconfig, either that or add them to module autoload:
Code:
nano /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6
*write the names of the modules in the file, one in each line, save and quit nano*
modules-update

Next time you reboot the modules will be loaded automatically.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
fuzzythebear
Guru
Guru


Joined: 28 Nov 2004
Posts: 317

PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82875P Processor to AGP Controller (rev 02)

that might be it .. i mean .. says intel agp .. you have put in a via
maybe you could look in this a bit more ..
_________________
There's this once i thought i had made a mistake .. but i was wrong :|
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ShodoPan
n00b
n00b


Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Posts: 14

PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuzzythebear wrote:
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82875P Processor to AGP Controller (rev 02)

that might be it .. i mean .. says intel agp .. you have put in a via
maybe you could look in this a bit more ..

In one of the howto files, it said that the "Intel chipset" option in kernel configuration was only for a very few particular Intel boards, and most of them fall under the VIA category. I was reassured in #gentoo that I was correct in this regard. *snip* because I'm dumb.

Darknight wrote:
What's your lsmod output?
Compare your lsmod output with the names of the modules you need (you can see their names looking in menuconfig using the help button). You may have to load them if they are missing, using modprobe.
I'd just compile them in-kernel, using * instead of M in menuconfig, either that or add them to module autoload:
Code:
nano /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6
*write the names of the modules in the file, one in each line, save and quit nano*
modules-update

Next time you reboot the modules will be loaded automatically.


Well, the modules I want are fglrx and agpgart, and I did try enabling them as specified in the troubleshooting section of the HOWTO, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. It adds/changes the following lines in my lsmod output:
Code:
fglrx                 397388  0
via_agp                 8576  0
agpgart                24008  2 fglrx,via_agp


But glxinfo still points to the mesa3d driver.

Edit: I feel like the last line of the dmesg output might be important ("[fglrx:firegl_unlock] *ERROR* Process XXXX using kernel context 0"), but I don't know what it means, and Google didn't really help.


Last edited by ShodoPan on Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:12 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ShodoPan
n00b
n00b


Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Posts: 14

PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopeful bump.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
srm
n00b
n00b


Joined: 14 Dec 2005
Posts: 71
Location: in da Heide. this globe

PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would suggest you try using intel agp-chipset first.
please, what is an agp-ethernet?
_________________
I'm no longer angry,for having to truncate my sig because it got to long with the following reminder:
Please check unanswered posts
co chaoid sounds
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ShodoPan
n00b
n00b


Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Posts: 14

PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more bump... :*(
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
srm
n00b
n00b


Joined: 14 Dec 2005
Posts: 71
Location: in da Heide. this globe

PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:40 am    Post subject: deleted and rewritten Reply with quote

Please read carefully!

Dear ShodoPan,
i'm quite upset you didn't answer my last post.
One thing was, if you'd like to tell me about all this nifty AGP-Ethernet stuff and so forth.
Next question was about tryin' the Intel-AGPGart. But well, as you mentioned, you were advised to do it this way and thank god, it looks like it somehow works.
Now let's come to the fun part.
You are writing that you receive some kind of nasty error message:
Code:
"[fglrx:firegl_unlock] *ERROR* Process XXXX using kernel context 0"

and you are stating that uncle google was not able to help you.
Well, glad to tell you i asked my dear aunty Google, i mentioned "fglrx firegl process using kernel context 0" and it told me to look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problems_with_fglrx .
Especially one part was quite interesting:
Zitat:
Error messages in system log

If you find something like the following in /var/log/messages:

kernel: mtrr: base(0xc0000000) is not aligned on a size(0x7ff0000) boundary
kernel: [fglrx:firegl_addmap] *ERROR* mtrr allocation failed (-22)
kernel: [fglrx:firegl_unlock] *ERROR* Process 5132 using kernel context 0

try to execute the following line and reload the fglrx module:

# echo "base=0xd0000000 size=0x8000000 type=write-combining" > /proc/mtrr


Have you seen this hint before? If not, i hope this is something that will help you, even if you did not post an mtrr error.
Mybe something else:
What about https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=351785 ?
Quote:
It seems fglrx can't access the AGP bus. Maybe you can try with this line in xorg.conf:
Code:
Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "yes"

Please reboot and check your error-log again.
One more for the long evenings:
http://rage3d.com/BOARD/archive/index.php?t-33813790.html
. Please let me know how it is going.
We have nice weather over here and the sun is often shining.

sincerly yours,
s.r.m.

-----

Well, please try the above and post your experience.
Maybe someone else got another idea?

regards
_________________
I'm no longer angry,for having to truncate my sig because it got to long with the following reminder:
Please check unanswered posts
co chaoid sounds
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ShodoPan
n00b
n00b


Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Posts: 14

PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I thought you were suggesting enabling the chipset in my kernel config, which, as I mentioned, I have already done. As for the second question, for some reason I was confusing AGP and PCI, my mistake.

I guess I forgot to mention that I have tried setting "UseInternalAGPGART" to both yes and no, and have seemingly identical results on both (same error log output and so on).

I checked my mtrr settings, and they look correct (I have 1 gig of RAM):
Code:
youngian@localhost ~ $ cat /proc/mtrr
reg00: base=0x00000000 (   0MB), size=1024MB: write-back, count=1
reg01: base=0xd0000000 (3328MB), size= 128MB: write-combining, count=1


I'm guessing that last link doesn't apply to me since I am not getting any errors about a missing shared object. At any rate, I don't have a directory /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/, so I don't know where I would poke around to uncover that particular object on my machine.

One thought: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problems_with_fglrx#Gentoo mentions that I should check my links for trouble. Here's the output from that, does anything look wrong about these? Should I try the solution they suggest?

Code:
youngian@localhost / $ ls -la /usr/X11R6/lib/*GL*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    756 Jan 23 07:27 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     34 Jan 23 07:27 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so -> //usr//lib/opengl/ati/lib/libGL.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    752 Dec 21 08:58 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.la
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     11 Dec 21 08:58 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so -> libGLU.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     20 Dec 21 08:58 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.1 -> libGLU.so.1.3.060501
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     20 Dec 21 08:58 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.1.3 -> libGLU.so.1.3.060501
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 507020 Dec 21 08:58 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.1.3.060501
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     11 Dec 21 08:58 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLw.so -> libGLw.so.1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     15 Dec 21 08:58 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLw.so.1 -> libGLw.so.1.0.0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     15 Dec 21 08:58 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLw.so.1.0 -> libGLw.so.1.0.0
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  11048 Dec 21 08:58 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLw.so.1.0.0


Code:
youngian@localhost ~ $ ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/glxinfo
        linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xffffe000)
        libglut.so.3 => /usr/lib/libglut.so.3 (0xb7f21000)
        libGLU.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1 (0xb7ea5000)
        libGL.so.1 => //usr//lib/opengl/ati/lib/libGL.so.1 (0xb7e05000)
        libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0xb7de0000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb7cbf000)
        libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0xb7bd3000)
        libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0xb7bc5000)
        libXxf86vm.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1 (0xb7bc0000)
        libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/gcc/i386-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb7adf000)
        libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/gcc/i386-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb7ad3000)
        libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7ac0000)
        libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb7abc000)
        /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7f6d000)
        libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0xb7ab9000)
        libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0xb7ab4000)
youngian@localhost ~ $ cd /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/lib/


Thanks very much for all the help and suggestions so far, I really appreciate it. Keep 'em coming :wink:
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
srm
n00b
n00b


Joined: 14 Dec 2005
Posts: 71
Location: in da Heide. this globe

PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it doesn't seem like you are experiencing one of the wrong-link-errors mentioned in the wiki, right(?).

let's get back:

i can't see you've mentioned that you've tried using the intel-agp module ;) but never mind,
please do never tell everybody that you're dumb or whatever. that makes no point for the whole story, we will judge you by ourselfes ;)

O.k.
It got a little bit confusing. Please, post your dmesg (the boot-up messages) regarding all agp/fglrx stuff.
Post your X11 log when starting your X-Server.

Hopefully, we can see something new in there.
_________________
I'm no longer angry,for having to truncate my sig because it got to long with the following reminder:
Please check unanswered posts
co chaoid sounds
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ShodoPan
n00b
n00b


Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Posts: 14

PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you want the whole Xorg log? I pasted it here: http://pastie.caboo.se/38352

Code:
youngian@localhost ~ $ dmesg | grep fglrx
fglrx: module license 'Proprietary. (C) 2002 - ATI Technologies, Starnberg, GERMANY' taints kernel.
[fglrx] Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 804 MBytes.
[fglrx] module loaded - fglrx 8.30.3 [Oct 26 2006] on minor 0
[fglrx] Internal AGP is not supported in 2.6 kernel.
[fglrx:firegl_unlock] *ERROR* Process 6661 using kernel context 0

youngian@localhost ~ $ dmesg | grep agp
Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones


How's that for dmesg output? Good enough, or should I paste more?

I'm guessing the links problem mentioned in the wiki is not my problem, but I'm not positive, so I'm hoping someone can confirm or deny. For example: do I want /usr/lib/liGL.so to be pointing to a file in /usr/lib/opengl/ati/lib or /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/lib? I'm confused now. Both directories exist, and I'm guessing I want ati, but I'm not sure.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jdkbx
n00b
n00b


Joined: 03 May 2004
Posts: 40

PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

check this thread

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-534626-start-25-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-ati+xorg.html?sid=629f8af6163b8655b5c3e1a692d47327

i had the same problem after i upgraded xorg to 7.2 (xorg-server-1.2)

solution was to upgrade the ati-driver to 8.33.6
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ShodoPan
n00b
n00b


Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Posts: 14

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn, got all hopeful, upgraded, and exact same problem. Even went so far to try unmerging ati-drivers and ati-drivers-extra and going through the whole setup bit again, still no luck. Logs look the same too.

For what it's worth, I recently burned a lg3d livecd 3.0.0, and that loads into mesa3d drivers as well.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Gentoo Forums Forum Index Desktop Environments All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum