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Spider
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 Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 12:46 am Post subject: Gnome2 FAQ and Beautification Guide |
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To the meat of it:
http://www.gentoo.org/~spider/
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well, some selfish promotion is in place :)
I'm the Gnome2 Maintainer in Gentoo Linux (whehey for me and all that ) and we are closing in on the Gnome2 -rc1 release, the current ebuilds are probably the most up-to-date set of packages for Gnome2 avaiable, unless you use a cvs script.
Well, there are a few issues around that I'd like some help with still:
a) We need more people to emerge Gnome2 to have it tested thoroughly. I know a lot of you have done that, but I've recieved very little feedback about it. please, Give me all you got, https://bugs.gentoo.org/ and assign it to spider@gentoo.org
b) feedback on Gnome 1.x components install with a clean, from-scratch installation with Gnome2 unmasked
We need people who don't have any Gnome stuff installed to try things out and tell us what packages have wrong dependencies now that the Gnome2 libraries are out, or we will have a very scraggly first release when some packages break as they link to a "too new" version of Gnome.
c) All other enchancements you can find. PPC testing, Sparc Testing, IA-64 Testing, -Os testing, Your-weirdass-desktop-configruation testing.....
d) good and clean and simple Font howto's!
e) More bugtesters for Gnome2 as to reduce the bumps in 2.0.0 final!
f) More Gnome2 themes ( Some Metathemes please? ; )
please, give me some more feedback here! :)
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neuron
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 1:05 am Post subject: |
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as I'm experimenting with diffrent window managers atm I'll compile it now 
see if I can lure a friend of mine into making some great looking themes too (a pure genius with graphics..)
//edit, also, what packages do I install to get gnome2, there are quite many, heh
and which libs would I want to install to keep gnome1 stuff working? |
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Spider
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 1:17 am Post subject: Gnome 1.4 will work per default :) |
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| neuron wrote: | also, what packages do I install to get gnome2, there are quite many, heh
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unmask them all.... :)
that should give you the gnome system, after that you can look at what was in the package.mask and see what you feel like trying. a lot of it are libraries, but theres quite a bunch of applications as well.
| neuron wrote: | | and which libs would I want to install to keep gnome1 stuff working? |
Well, if you have gnome 1.4 installed, none :) if you dont, it should resolve automagically and if it doesn't, thats the kind of testing I want to hear since hten I can fix this! :)
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 1:26 am Post subject: |
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hehe, I'll get right on it then  , and do a little emerge --pretend > gnome_uninstall just in case |
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Zu`
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the guide spider
Cool stuff! |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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emerge'ing it right now. Iw ill miss my fluxbox a lot. 
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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emerging now  |
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cyphos
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Hi,
I just wanted to say "Spidler - you're the greatest!  "
I have the latest ebuild of GNOME 2 installed and GNOME 1.4. All is good, except a few ennoyances. I'm not sure if they relate to gentoo or gnome 2 itself, but I'll list them here:
GNOME 1.4 programs such as Evolution or Galeon start very slowly (about 6-7 seconds, whereas before installing gnome 2 they started in about 1-3 seconds).
In GNOME 2, there is no place to configure xscreensaver or url handlers
And I can't find the magnifier which is supposed to be apart of the accessibiltiy features in Gnome 2.
Other than that, everything is sweet!
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Manny Calavera
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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@cyphos: for xscreensaver: try running xscreensaver-demo
see you,
- Manny -
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, I know how to configure xscreensaver manually - but there should be an capplet that control xscreensaver, like in GNOME 1.4
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Spider
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 8:13 pm Post subject: some answers :) |
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| cyphos wrote: | Hi,
I just wanted to say "Spidler - you're the greatest! :D"
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Thanks! :)
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GNOME 1.4 programs such as Evolution or Galeon start very slowly (about 6-7 seconds, whereas before installing gnome 2 they started in about 1-3 seconds).
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This could be related to the fact that they use the old gnome libraries, which are not loaded into RAM anymore, and thus the loading time will be greater since all pixmaps, libraries an initiations for Gnome 1.4 has to be done.
Try adding this to your gnome-session as "autolaunch program"
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In GNOME 2, there is no place to configure xscreensaver or url handlers
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xscreensaver-demo, since xscreensaver 4.x the caplett is deprecated in Gnome, and instead built in xscreensaver, and then gnomecc just included the capplet that xscreensaver had built and installed
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applications->Desktop preferences->Advanced->File Types and Programs |
should have what you are after.
| Quote: | | And I can't find the magnifier which is supposed to be apart of the accessibiltiy features in Gnome 2. |
oh, didn't know there was one... ask in irc://irc.gimp.org/#gnome
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craftyc
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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IMO the skins for gnome suck. Are there any decent skins available for it?
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| Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2002 11:50 pm Post subject: R.T.F.M. |
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| craftyc wrote: | | IMO the skins for gnome suck. Are there any decent skins available for it? |
http://gentoo.org/~spider/
Check the link to http://sunshineinabag.co.uk
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| This question is probably asked a lot. Does Gnome2 support alpha-blending? Will Gnome2 ever support alpha-blending? |
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Princess Firefly
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| Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 8:53 am Post subject: Ugly terminal |
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Spider == cool
One of the worst parts about gnome 2 is the ugly mugly terminal. What the hell happened to good old gnome-terminal. Now it looks like some xterm thing. blech.
Also, I a little sad about some of the new icons. It's almost starting to look like kde in some places (kde == butt ugly).
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Spider
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| Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 1:19 pm Post subject: Maybe for 2.1 /2.2 |
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| Syruz wrote: | | This question is probably asked a lot. Does Gnome2 support alpha-blending? Will Gnome2 ever support alpha-blending? |
Alphablending should be done in hardware, not some mesa-quadri hack of software overlay things, so...
gtk2 and gnome2 to some extent -has- alphablending in platforms which support it (DirectFB)
Or in themes that support it, Pixmap engine with 32 bit PNG's
(8bit- R G B A )
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| Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Ugly terminal |
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| Princess Firefly wrote: | Spider == cool
One of the worst parts about gnome 2 is the ugly mugly terminal. What the hell happened to good old gnome-terminal. Now it looks like some xterm thing. blech.
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Thanks :)
And, the terminal, hmm, I quite like it, just make sure you actually get the "gnome-terminal" since it will be overwrittern by gnome-core-1.4.x
AS for its uglyness, that probably depends on the fonts you use and the colour settings :) but its transparency support isn't that speedy though.
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Also, I a little sad about some of the new icons. It's almost starting to look like kde in some places (kde == butt ugly).
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Now here is some better news.. all icons are now themeable in gnome/gtk+ and can be replaced. Check out the Gorilla themes' and some others :) (sunshine in a bag is the way ;)
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| Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: R.T.F.M. |
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Thanks spider I will try them out.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 2:21 pm Post subject: In Progress... |
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Well, you asked for people to do a clean install of Gnome2. And I wanted to redo my system with GCC3 anyway, so I'm doing both at once. I'm compiling xfree right now, so in a few hours I'll let you know how things went.
Note about gcc3: I used the new test tarball, and so far it's gone flawlessly! Great work, Gentoo! |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Update: For the most part, the install has gone very smoothly. I'm in the final stages of merging gnome, and so far only one package has failed: gnome-terminal. Not a disaster, but something that I'd like to have, so I'll see if I can get it to emerge when it comes up again, and let you know what I discover.
Just a note: Use the test 1.3 tarball. It's /great/. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Err... Well, gnome-terminal merged cleanly that time. Maybe it wasn't the one that failed. More on this story as it happens. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Well, good news and bad news. Good news: Gnome2 finished emerging, and it's beautiful.
Bad news: Looks like gtk+-2.0.3 doesn't install a gtk-config binary, so mozilla is freaking out and refuses to build. |
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jay
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| Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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I unmasked the 2.0 series and compiled it straight away without having any other gnome version on my system. Compiling went fine without problems - > Excellent job, Spider!
However there are some files that are probably wasting time because they are compiled multiple times. When I did an emerge pretend... I got this:
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[ebuild N ] app-text/openjade-1.3.1-r2 to /
[ebuild U ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-3.1 to /
[ebuild U ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-3.0 to /
[ebuild U ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-4.0 to /
[ebuild N ] app-text/docbook-dsssl-stylesheets-1.64 to /
[ebuild N ] app-text/docbook-sgml-1.0 to /
[ebuild N ] dev-util/gtk-doc-0.9-r2 to /
[ebuild N ] net-libs/linc-0.5.0 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/ORBit2-2.4.0 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/bonobo-activation-1.0.0-r1 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.0.0 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gconf-1.1.11-r1 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-1.9.17 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.0.0 to /
[ebuild N ] app-text/docbook-xsl-stylesheets-1.50.0 to /
[ebuild N ] app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.1.2-r2 to /
[ebuild N ] dev-python/PyXML-0.7 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libglade-2.0.0 to /
[ebuild N ] media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.8-r2 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.0.0 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.0.0 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.0.0 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gail-0.15 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/eel-1.1.17 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/librsvg-1.1.6-r2 to /
[ebuild N ] app-text/scrollkeeper-0.3.9 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gdm-2.4.0.0 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-1.5.22 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/control-center-1.99.10-r1 to /
[ebuild N ] x11-libs/libzvt-1.117.0 to /
[ebuild N ] x11-terms/gnome-terminal-1.9.7 to /
[ebuild N ] sys-devel/gdb-5.1.1-r2 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-extra/bug-buddy-2.1.6 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgtop-1.90.2-r2 to /
[ebuild N ] x11-libs/libwnck-0.13 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-extra/gnome-system-monitor-1.1.7 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-session-1.5.21 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-extra/libgtkhtml-2.0.0 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-panel-1.5.24-r1 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-extra/gnome-utils-1.107.0 to /
[ebuild N ] x11-wm/metacity-2.3.610 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-applets-1.105.0 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/nautilus-1.1.19 to /
[ebuild N ] dev-util/guile-1.5.4 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-1.94.0 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeprint-1.115.0-r2 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeprintui-1.115.0 to /
[ebuild N ] app-editors/gedit-1.121.1 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-extra/gnome-media-1.999999999.0 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-extra/yelp-0.10 to /
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-2.0.0_beta5-r17 to /
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The good:
KDE apps run smooth, mozilla comes up with much better font quality than in fluxbox. Changing the language to german is no problem. I can play audio CDs without problems. Clicking on wav and mp3 files in nautilus opens xmms and plays the files without a fuss. The overall performance is much better than in KDE 3.0.1.
The bad:
I get a error message about a missing "xscreensaver" on startup and Nmapfe (the GTK+ frontend) to nmap is missing. In nautilus I can preview thumbnails but there is no viewer installed. Opening the gdm configurator and playing with the settings result in a hard freeze - I have to reboot.
Anyway... that's is working very well for a beta version!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 8:48 pm Post subject: some answers :) |
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| Utoxin wrote: | Well, good news and bad news. Good news: Gnome2 finished emerging, and it's beautiful. ;)
Bad news: Looks like gtk+-2.0.3 doesn't install a gtk-config binary, so mozilla is freaking out and refuses to build. |
Okay, Mozilla is fixed work now (it shouldn't build with gtk2 anyhow :)
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| Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="jay"]
However there are some files that are probably wasting time because they are compiled multiple times. When I did an emerge pretend... I got this:
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[ebuild U ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-3.1 to /
[ebuild U ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-3.0 to /
[ebuild U ] app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd-4.0 to /
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Theese are different versions and should all go in, no duplicates, only datafiles.
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I get a error message about a missing "xscreensaver" on startup: |
Yes, emerge xscreensaver if you want this, its an optional thing and gnome only tells you that its not installed so you won't get a screensaver.
| Quote: | and Nmapfe (the GTK+ frontend) to nmap is missing.
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did you have gtk 1.2 and USE="gtk" in when you emerged nmap?? The menu Items aren't installed in gnome2 and thats a known bug (together with the inabiity to edit menu's)
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In nautilus I can preview thumbnails but there is no viewer installed. |
that will give you two viewers.
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Opening the gdm configurator and playing with the settings result in a hard freeze - I have to reboot.
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please file a bug about this...
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