America's Army: politically sensitive?

beowulf · Apprentice Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Posts: 225

Today's society is too worried about being "pollitically correct"..... anything a person does can be misconstrued as an attack on someone... and someone somewhere will take offence....

It's sad really....
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soulwarrior · Guru Joined: 21 Oct 2002 Posts: 331

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Maybe a reason, why they provide support for this game:

Press release from supercomputerinc:
http://www.supercomputerinc.com/html/index.html

ebrostig · Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 10:09 pm Post subject:

The game is only getting a long yawn from me.

I personally only play games on my PS/2, so I'll probably never play it.

One may argue until the day we die about whether it was a smart move or not by Gentoo to release this game as it's first. I'm sure there are economical reasons for this title to be the first, i.e the Army supllied the fundings etc and that is why it is now available.

Leaving Gentoo because of this game reveals other issues that needs to be addressed by professionals and not by us, i.e see a shrink. It basically strikes me as a very immature way of handling thinsg in life. I'm sure that you will find numerous other situations in your daily life where you have to accept thinsg that is not in line with you politically and you deal with it without a problem.

I have no problem with FPS games and I wonder why there was never any outcries when EA launched their Medal of Honor series. Here you are an American soldier killing germans. I haven't heard any protests against this game or others that involves killing other counties people. Why all of a sudden is this a problem now? Just because it happens on Gentoo?

I think some people need to grow up and not take everything personally. Reality is that you sometimes have to make a compromise, and I can't see this as such a huge issue that a compromise with your own conciense can not be made. If this is not the case, then I think it is time for those people to leave gentoo behind and I wish them all the luck in their quest to try to find a product that fullfills all their personal beliefs and convictions, it may be a very lonly quest. Good Luck!

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davisjs · Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 10:18 pm Post subject:

I agree with ebrostigs point here....

The real I think point of this whole thing is not necessairly what game is produced first, its the fact that the game is being produced at all. Anyone who has used linux for a while knows that the lack of good games on this platform is a major drawback to a desktop user. This development of gentoo games has the potential to bring a lot of entertaining games to us.

Whatever your political viewpoint, beggars cant be choosers in a sense. Sure. I dont think I will ever be playing America's army, but I DO applaud the efforts of the gentoo team in trying to get some games out there into the community.

Also, just because someone releases a game does not necessairly mean that the releaser endorses the content of the game. Maybe we can hear from some of the developers on this point. I also think it is a very sad thing to leave the best distribution out there based on percieved political endorsements that may not exist

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It's one thing to be for or against first person shooter games. Advertising military organisations is a shame. Be proud of it. :evil:

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noff · Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 8:53 am Post subject:

Everyone should try to think of why this game was brought out: ECONOMICS.

America's Army is free, you can download and Gentoo Games can distribute it, FREE. It is a good way to show off a popular game on a Linux base. Would the have preferred the full version of UT2K3, sure but it isn't free.

With this they can make isos available and people can download and try it no costs.

While we all it would be wonderful if there were a full featured open-source commercial-level game, that isn't gonna happen to soon.

If you don't like this game for whatever reason, that is fine, but if you want the next game it will cost $$. This is a good show off for their technology and I commend them.

Any game they can bring to Linux is welcome, cause it fights the main problem against desktop linux, lack of games. I don't like FPSs but I want other games so I'll support Gentoo Games.

Always remember politics is just economics of a different type.
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noff · Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 10:01 am Post subject:

Just to clarify

I wasn't saying the economics of the country, I was saying it makes economic sense to the Gentoo guy to release a game they can give away.
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TGL · Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 10:59 am Post subject:

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So tell me. Since this game was developed for Windows, does this make Microsoft Pro-War? In fact, lets go a step further. Most of the US government runs on Windows, including the army. All the high tech fancy gagetry that allows those missles to slam into their targets are done by computer, which requires an OS, which at this point seems to be Windows.

IS MICROSOFT PRO-WAR SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO USE IT FOR THIS MANNER?! I'm not talking about a game, I'm talking about REAL FRICKIN MISSLES. Microsoft OS's are being used for THAT purpose RIGHT now. Before you point your ignorant ass fingers at Gentoo for providing a GAME, use your damned head. These anti-Gentoo arguments are COMPLETELY irrational and illogical.

Here in the US I see US Army, Navy and Marines commercials on TV just about every day. Big deal. I had Military recruters come to my class back in high school. Big deal. I've been temped with free education and money if I joined the military. Big deal. I don't like the military and I am MATURE enough to simply say, "No thank you" rather than throwing a goddammned TEMPER TANTRUM about propaganda and advertising.

I got two words for you: Grow-thefuck-Up

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lurid · Guru Joined: 12 Mar 2003 Posts: 595 Location: Florida

Oh, so now everyone is an idiot but you and god forbid one of those idiots play AA because Gentoo released it and then goes and joins the military. Lmao, don't you see how silly this all sounds?

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Evangelion · Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 12:02 pm Post subject:

Again, I fail to see how releasing this game is a bad thing. The actual gameplay is no different from Counterstrike for example. As to it being a "propaganda-tool". Well, it's not really an effective at that, since they don't actually hide the fact that is was made by the Army. Everyone who plays that game knows what to expect.

And this might come as a shock, but US Army (or any other army for that matter) is not inherintly evil

Hell, if people are steering clear of Gentoo because they release a "propaganda-game", then what about XBill? It's a propaganda-game as well, every bit as blatant as AA. Are any of you leaving Gentoo because it has (presumably) XBill? If you aren't then you are hypocrits (since you oppose "propaganda-games", yet you only react to certain games). Why is some propaganda better than other propaganda?
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d3c3it · Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 12:31 pm Post subject:

i played this when it came out on windoze, and found it rather quite boring. it was funny how they made this game to try and "attract" people to the army but instead just made alot of people get a free game lol. and after all this is the only motives of the gentoo team. can you imagine gentoo going to id and asking could they do an iso like this for quake3, it would never happen. i believe the only reason gentoo chose AA was because it was free as in beer and wanted to demonstate the fact of what they can do ie go to id software say "look this rocks want us to do it for q3a?"

as for the politics, they should be kept well out of the linux world, were linux users not politians i find it ammusing thou how games like gta3 get ripped apart in the media yet this game, no different you still "killing" pixels never gets touched, but of course its not killing its "colatrial" damage
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