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Se7enLC
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 Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| Ok, *fedora* has gnome 2.18 before we do. What is going on here? I find it hard to believe that there are any glaring bugs if fedora released 7 including them. |
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red-wolf76
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| gasparov wrote: | | I already hate totem/gstreamer.....is it possible to have totem using libxine again? |
| Code: | echo media-video/totem xine >> /etc/portage/package.use
emerge -uDN totem
revdep-rebuild
dispatch-conf |
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vonr
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| red-wolf76 wrote: | | gasparov wrote: | | I already hate totem/gstreamer.....is it possible to have totem using libxine again? |
| Code: | echo media-video/totem xine >> /etc/portage/package.use
emerge -uDN totem
revdep-rebuild
dispatch-conf |
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Ehm... that wouldn't work for 2.18.x since the xine backend has been removed. See this.
IOW, no, it's not possible anymore. |
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red-wolf76
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| vonr wrote: | | red-wolf76 wrote: | | gasparov wrote: | | I already hate totem/gstreamer.....is it possible to have totem using libxine again? |
| Code: | echo media-video/totem xine >> /etc/portage/package.use
emerge -uDN totem
revdep-rebuild
dispatch-conf |
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Ehm... that wouldn't work for 2.18.x since the xine backend has been removed. See this.
IOW, no, it's not possible anymore. |
Egad! I didn't notice that I still had 2.16.x installed. My bad! Sorry. 
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hoschi
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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any idea how it is possible evince and evolution let printing?
it works with all other printer interfaces from abiword, gedit or gqview
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jonnevers
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| vonr wrote: | | red-wolf76 wrote: | | gasparov wrote: | | I already hate totem/gstreamer.....is it possible to have totem using libxine again? |
| Code: | echo media-video/totem xine >> /etc/portage/package.use
emerge -uDN totem
revdep-rebuild
dispatch-conf |
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Ehm... that wouldn't work for 2.18.x since the xine backend has been removed. See this.
IOW, no, it's not possible anymore. |
sure, it's possible...
| Code: | cp /usr/portage/gnome-base/gnome/gnome-2.18.0.ebuild /usr/local/portage/gnome-base/gnome/
vi /usr/local/portage/gnome-base/gnome/gnome-2.18.0.ebuild
modify the ebuild to depend on >=>=media-video/totem-2.16.0 instead of >=>=media-video/totem-2.16.0
ebuild /usr/local/portage/gnome-base/gnome/gnome-2.18.0.ebuild digest
emerge -pv totem
live happily ever after... |
I've been using gnome/totem like this since April 28th, and couldn't be happier. There are SEVERE issues with gstreamer as a video sink. It's complete garbage basically.
but imo, because totem is a leaf package in gnome (i.e. nothing depends on it, it's just there), there is no reason to force it's upgrade to 2.18 from 2.16.4 |
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wyvern5
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Why not just use xine-ui, mplayer, or vlc? That's what I do. Totem is trash. |
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jonnevers
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| wyvern5 wrote: | | Why not just use xine-ui, mplayer, or vlc? That's what I do. Totem is trash. |
everyone has their own opinions and preferences. calling totem trash is completely uncalled for. I don't think it's trash in and of itself, the video part of gstreamer on the other hand.... |
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teliko
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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does we know when it will be availible ? I don't like to unmask packages , ...
Why is it taking so long ?  |
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twstd3bc
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| jonnevers wrote: | | wyvern5 wrote: | | Why not just use xine-ui, mplayer, or vlc? That's what I do. Totem is trash. |
everyone has their own opinions and preferences. calling totem trash is completely uncalled for. I don't think it's trash in and of itself, the video part of gstreamer on the other hand.... |
Maybe it isn't trash, but is it useful for anything? We've had highly capable video players on free platforms for years, and having Totem installed with Gnome by default makes it look otherwise. The only formats Totem plays by default are either rarely distributed anymore (mpeg1), or inapproriate for Totem (audio). If Gnome didn't have Totem attempting to play DVDs by default, then Totem wouldn't get slammed so much, but having such a crippled player thrust into the limelight pretty much kills its image. |
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vonr
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| twstd3bc wrote: | | The only formats Totem plays by default are either rarely distributed anymore (mpeg1), or inapproriate for Totem (audio). |
I don't know what went wrong for you then, as Totem plays divx and xvid files fine here. Even the occasional wmv it can handle (not always, but still). All of this using the gstreamer backend. Do you have the ffmpeg USE flag set?
Also, I love Totem. Perhaps there are other capable media players as well, however they seem to share a common trait: their interface usually looks like it's designed by blind people. Puhleeze don't make your media player look like a friggin' dvd player (complete with a separate window for player controls <- the person who thought that up should be shot); it's lame, mkay? Please do also note that 'skins' are evil. Use my friggin' gtk theme instead.
Apart from Totem, I tend to use mplayer as well. However, I don't even bother building the gtk frontend for above reasons. |
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twstd3bc
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| vonr wrote: | | twstd3bc wrote: | | The only formats Totem plays by default are either rarely distributed anymore (mpeg1), or inapproriate for Totem (audio). |
I don't know what went wrong for you then, as Totem plays divx and xvid files fine here. Even the occasional wmv it can handle (not always, but still). All of this using the gstreamer backend. Do you have the ffmpeg USE flag set?
Also, I love Totem. Perhaps there are other capable media players as well, however they seem to share a common trait: their interface usually looks like it's designed by blind people. Puhleeze don't make your media player look like a friggin' dvd player (complete with a separate window for player controls <- the person who thought that up should be shot); it's lame, mkay? Please do also note that 'skins' are evil. Use my friggin' gtk theme instead.
Apart from Totem, I tend to use mplayer as well. However, I don't even bother building the gtk frontend for above reasons. |
Actually I was thinking of the Totem installed by Ubuntu, which seems to be the face of "Linux" nowadays. Nevertheless, the ffmpeg flag is off on my Totem, but I just went with the default install. I know it can probably play any codec with the proper plugin. Anyway, the mplayer GUI looks horrible, but I only learned this by mistake since I always use it from the command line. However, I like mplayer the best (command line) because there are no useless window decorations-- like feh with the "-x" option. |
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Naib
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hoschi
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:14 am Post subject: |
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How ~arch?
/printing doesn't work in a lot of apps
/gnome-power-manager doesn't work like it should
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mark_alec
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| #gentoo-desktop wrote: | * remi` prays the Good Lord ® that his commit won't break anything
<mark_alec> remi`: 2.18 is unmasked?
<remi`> mark_alec, yes |
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morda
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: Blocked Packages? |
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Hi,
Gnome 2.18.x is unmasked, but...
somewhere in the middle of update list:
| Code: | | [ebuild U ] gnome-base/control-center-2.18.1 [2.16.3] USE="alsa eds esd%* gstreamer%* hal -debug" 2,100 kB |
and at the end:
| Code: | | [blocks B ] <gnome-base/control-center-2.17.0 (is blocking gnome-base/libgnomekbd-2.18.1) |
How come control-center-2.17.0 is blocking something if I'm upgrading from 2.16.3 to 2.18.1?
Regards - morda |
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PaulBredbury
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Because it's slotted:
| Code: | $ grep SLOT /usr/portage/gnome-base/control-center/control-center-2.18.1.ebuild
SLOT="2" |
It looks like a horrible compromise between the slotting feature, and ensuring no old versions exist. Easy way:
| Code: | emerge --unmerge control-center
emerge -uDNv world |
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loftwyr
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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That says less than 2.17.0 If you have a control centre installed less than version 2.17, it wants it removed.
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morda
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| loftwyr wrote: | | That says less than 2.17.0 If you have a control centre installed less than version 2.17, it wants it removed. |
My version is 2.16.3 because 2.17.0 has never been unmasked. Anyway, modifying libgnomekbd ebuild or unmerging control-center (which is the Easy Way) did the trick. Emerging now 
Regards - morda |
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Naib
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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You usual rule of thumb is if something is blocking... just unmerge it
in this case another version of control-center exists (but isn't necessarily emerged) same rule apllies
3 of 86 emerged
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saboya
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| Any dates for gnome-light 2.18? |
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Master One
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| hoschi wrote: | How ~arch?
/printing doesn't work in a lot of apps
/gnome-power-manager doesn't work like it should |
Seems to be a Gentoo-specific problem, because these things seem to be working in Foresight Linux & Fedora 7. May be something dbus related, because the Arch ppl also had troubles with the gnome-power-manager.
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mrpete
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Checkout:-
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176517
| Quote: | ------- Comment #15 From Rémi Cardona 2007-06-09 10:27:18 0000 [reply] -------
Moved mask from main package.mask to individual alpha, arm and fbsd subprofile
package.masks.
Gnome 2.18 is unmasked for : amd64, hppa, ia64, mips, ppc, ppc64, sh, sparc and
x86
PS, Please don't hit me too hard if I've broken anything. It's my first major
unmask.
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hoschi
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Master One wrote: | | hoschi wrote: | How ~arch?
/printing doesn't work in a lot of apps
/gnome-power-manager doesn't work like it should |
Seems to be a Gentoo-specific problem, because these things seem to be working in Foresight Linux & Fedora 7. May be something dbus related, because the Arch ppl also had troubles with the gnome-power-manager. |
first one doesn't work in ubuntu too
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morda
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: gnome-theme-manager |
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Hi,
I've just upgraded to 2.18 and now gnome-theme-manager will not start. It pops up a message that it can't find default theme's schema, and that's probably because Metacity is not installed or GConf not configured properly. Any ideas on how to fix it?
Regards - morda. |
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