| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
hoschi
Advocate
Joined: 19 Jul 2003
Posts: 2517
Location: Ulm, Germany, Europe
|
 Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:32 am Post subject: |
 |
|
| red-wolf76 wrote: | Others having it does not make it "stable", I guess... Philosophical differences maybe?
I agree that with so many people having it installed without major boo-boos, it should go into "testing" immediately, as that is what is actually happening with it, currently. |
- Gnome-Power-Manager Icon doesn't show up
- Printing in Evolution doesn't work
Most problems in Gnome are always very obvious, but the devs at gnome.org didn't care much about really testing with users...
_________________
Just you and me strogg! |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
red-wolf76
l33t
Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Posts: 714
Location: Rhein-Main Area
|
| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: |
|
|
| hoschi wrote: | | Most problems in Gnome are always very obvious, but the devs at gnome.org didn't care much about really testing with users... |
Not really a winning trait, but that's what you get with a free lun^H^H^Hdesktop, I guess. (Not to say that QC/QA on M$ products is necessarily any better!)
_________________
0mFg, G3nt00 r0X0r$ T3h B1g!1111 
Use sane CFLAGS! If for no other reason, do it for the lulz! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
hoschi
Advocate
Joined: 19 Jul 2003
Posts: 2517
Location: Ulm, Germany, Europe
|
| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Yessssssssssssss. But sometimes I think KDE and XFCE do their job more reliable.
Working with the shell in the framebuffer is the best thing: stable, fast and nearly everything runs how it should 
_________________
Just you and me strogg! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jonnevers
Veteran
Joined: 02 Jan 2003
Posts: 1594
Location: Gentoo64 land
|
| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| hoschi wrote: | | red-wolf76 wrote: | Others having it does not make it "stable", I guess... Philosophical differences maybe?
I agree that with so many people having it installed without major boo-boos, it should go into "testing" immediately, as that is what is actually happening with it, currently. |
- Gnome-Power-Manager Icon doesn't show up
- Printing in Evolution doesn't work
Most problems in Gnome are always very obvious, but the devs at gnome.org didn't care much about really testing with users... |
if it's being held up by those issues... well, thats unfortunate. I'm not complaining though because I'd rather just unmask the stuff then be the herd maintainer. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dirk.R.Gently
Guru
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
Posts: 546
Location: Titan
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
Does anyone know if they plan to include these Desktop Effects in the Gentoo version?
_________________
• Helpful Linux Tidbits |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
red-wolf76
l33t
Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Posts: 714
Location: Rhein-Main Area
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
I think you can add the capability by editing the ebuild and providing an overlay unless there's already a flag for enabling this.
_________________
0mFg, G3nt00 r0X0r$ T3h B1g!1111
Use sane CFLAGS! If for no other reason, do it for the lulz! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dirk.R.Gently
Guru
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
Posts: 546
Location: Titan
|
| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:58 am Post subject: |
|
|
| red-wolf76 wrote: | | I think you can add the capability by editing the ebuild and providing an overlay unless there's already a flag for enabling this. |
Appreciate it red, I think I'll wait before I try it though. I accidentally errorred in my post earlier. Feisty does not use the new metacity effect, but uses compiz instead. Sorry for the misinformation.
_________________
• Helpful Linux Tidbits |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
wyvern5
Apprentice
Joined: 11 Nov 2006
Posts: 161
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Just FWIW, I upgraded to gnome 2.18 and it worked just fine. I created the following keywords and unmask lists by hand so that they could have the specific versions:
keywords:
| Code: | =gnome-base/gnome-2.18.0
=gnome-extra/evolution-data-server-1.10.1-r2
=gnome-base/gnome-volume-manager-2.17.0
=www-client/epiphany-2.18.1
=net-analyzer/gnome-nettool-2.18.0
=x11-libs/libwnck-2.18.0
=gnome-base/eel-2.18.0.1
=gnome-extra/deskbar-applet-2.18.1
=dev-libs/atk-1.18.0
=gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.18.0
=gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.18.1
=dev-python/pygtkglext-1.1.0
=dev-python/gnome-python-desktop-2.18.0
=x11-wm/metacity-2.18.2
=gnome-base/gnome-panel-2.18.1
=x11-libs/pango-1.16.3
=gnome-extra/yelp-2.18.1
=app-arch/file-roller-2.18.2
=gnome-extra/gcalctool-5.9.14
=gnome-base/libgnome-2.18.0
=app-text/evince-0.8.1
=x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.18.0
=x11-libs/gtk+-2.10.12
=gnome-base/gconf-2.18.0.1
=gnome-extra/gucharmap-1.10.0
=gnome-extra/fast-user-switch-applet-2.18.0
=gnome-extra/zenity-2.18.1
=app-text/gnome-doc-utils-0.10.3
=gnome-extra/gnome-screensaver-2.18.1
=gnome-base/libgnomekbd-2.18.1
=gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.18.1
=gnome-base/libgtop-2.14.8
=gnome-extra/evolution-webcal-2.10.0
=gnome-extra/gnome-keyring-manager-2.18.0
=gnome-base/libgnomeprint-2.18.0
=gnome-extra/gconf-editor-2.18.0
=gnome-base/gnome-menus-2.18.0
=gnome-extra/gtkhtml-3.14.0
=gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.18.1
=gnome-base/libgnomeprintui-2.18.0
=gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.18.1
=gnome-extra/bug-buddy-2.18.1
=gnome-base/nautilus-2.18.1
=gnome-base/gdm-2.18.1
=sys-auth/consolekit-0.2.1
=media-sound/esound-0.2.38
=x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.10.1
=x11-terms/gnome-terminal-2.18.0
=x11-libs/vte-0.16.3
=gnome-base/gnome-applets-2.18.0-r1
=app-editors/gedit-2.18.1
=gnome-base/control-center-2.18.1
=gnome-extra/gnome-power-manager-2.18.2
=sys-apps/hal-0.5.9-r1
=app-misc/hal-info-20070425
=gnome-base/libbonobo-2.18.0
=gnome-extra/gnome-media-2.18.0
=x11-misc/alacarte-0.11.3
=net-misc/vino-2.18.1
=mail-client/evolution-2.10.1
=gnome-extra/nautilus-cd-burner-2.18.1
=media-gfx/eog-2.18.1
=media-video/totem-2.18.1-r1
=gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.8.1
=app-admin/sabayon-2.18.1
=gnome-base/gnome-session-2.18.0
=dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.8
=x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.18.1
=gnome-extra/gnome-utils-2.18.1
=gnome-base/control-center-2.18.1
=gnome-extra/gnome-system-monitor-2.18.1.1
|
edit: added gnome-system-monitor to keywords
unmask
| Code: | =gnome-base/gnome-2.18.0
=gnome-extra/evolution-data-server-1.10.1-r2
=gnome-base/gnome-volume-manager-2.17.0
=www-client/epiphany-2.18.1
=net-analyzer/gnome-nettool-2.18.0
=x11-libs/libwnck-2.18.0
=gnome-base/eel-2.18.0.1
=gnome-extra/deskbar-applet-2.18.1
=dev-libs/atk-1.18.0
=gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.18.0
=gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.18.1
=dev-python/gnome-python-desktop-2.18.0
=x11-wm/metacity-2.18.2
=gnome-base/gnome-panel-2.18.1
=x11-libs/pango-1.16.3
=gnome-extra/yelp-2.18.1
=app-arch/file-roller-2.18.2
=gnome-extra/gcalctool-5.9.14
=gnome-base/libgnome-2.18.0
=app-text/evince-0.8.1
=x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.18.0
=gnome-base/gconf-2.18.0.1
=gnome-extra/gucharmap-1.10.0
=gnome-extra/fast-user-switch-applet-2.18.0
=gnome-extra/zenity-2.18.1
=app-text/gnome-doc-utils-0.10.3
=gnome-extra/gnome-screensaver-2.18.1
=gnome-base/libgnomekbd-2.18.1
=gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.18.1
=gnome-base/libgtop-2.14.8
=gnome-extra/evolution-webcal-2.10.0
=gnome-extra/gnome-keyring-manager-2.18.0
=gnome-base/libgnomeprint-2.18.0
=gnome-extra/gconf-editor-2.18.0
=gnome-base/gnome-menus-2.18.0
=gnome-extra/gtkhtml-3.14.0
=gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.18.1
=gnome-base/libgnomeprintui-2.18.0
=gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.18.1
=gnome-extra/bug-buddy-2.18.1
=gnome-base/nautilus-2.18.1
=gnome-base/gdm-2.18.1
=sys-auth/consolekit-0.2.1
=media-sound/esound-0.2.38
=x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.10.1
=x11-terms/gnome-terminal-2.18.0
=x11-libs/vte-0.16.3
=gnome-base/gnome-applets-2.18.0-r1
=app-editors/gedit-2.18.1
=gnome-base/control-center-2.18.1
=gnome-extra/gnome-power-manager-2.18.2
=sys-apps/hal-0.5.9-r1
=gnome-base/libbonobo-2.18.0
=gnome-extra/gnome-media-2.18.0
=x11-misc/alacarte-0.11.3
=net-misc/vino-2.18.1
=mail-client/evolution-2.10.1
=gnome-extra/nautilus-cd-burner-2.18.1
=media-gfx/eog-2.18.1
=media-video/totem-2.18.1-r1
=gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.8.1
=app-admin/sabayon-2.18.1
=gnome-base/gnome-session-2.18.0
=x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.18.1
=gnome-extra/gnome-utils-2.18.1
=gnome-base/control-center-2.18.1
|
Don't forget to | Code: | | rc-update add consolekit default |
.
Last edited by wyvern5 on Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:53 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
red-wolf76
l33t
Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Posts: 714
Location: Rhein-Main Area
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
| wyvern5 wrote: | Don't forget to | Code: | | rc-update add consolekit default |
|
Can you elaborate a bit on this? I just found out that I was not running this at all until now. I did have it installed, though.
_________________
0mFg, G3nt00 r0X0r$ T3h B1g!1111
Use sane CFLAGS! If for no other reason, do it for the lulz! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
hoschi
Advocate
Joined: 19 Jul 2003
Posts: 2517
Location: Ulm, Germany, Europe
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Consolekit?
_________________
Just you and me strogg! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
wyvern5
Apprentice
Joined: 11 Nov 2006
Posts: 161
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Consolekit is new in gnome 2.18. It's used by gnome to keep track of who's logged in at any given time (like what "who" shows you). |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
hoschi
Advocate
Joined: 19 Jul 2003
Posts: 2517
Location: Ulm, Germany, Europe
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Looks unnecessary 
_________________
Just you and me strogg! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
red-wolf76
l33t
Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Posts: 714
Location: Rhein-Main Area
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
It sure looks like it is. I ran Gnome 2.18 without it and never even noticed. I needed to unmask it during the install though because gdm claims to depend on it: | Quote: | grei5003 sng # dep -L consolekit
sys-auth/consolekit:
gnome-base/gdm-2.18.1 pam? sys-auth/consolekit |
_________________
0mFg, G3nt00 r0X0r$ T3h B1g!1111
Use sane CFLAGS! If for no other reason, do it for the lulz! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dirk.R.Gently
Guru
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
Posts: 546
Location: Titan
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
Perhaps that explains my .Xauthority error earlier on.
_________________
• Helpful Linux Tidbits |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
wyvern5
Apprentice
Joined: 11 Nov 2006
Posts: 161
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Naib
Watchman
Joined: 21 May 2004
Posts: 6051
Location: Removed by Neddy
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: |
|
|
is there a USE flag on GDM for consolekit so that if you dont want/need it doesn't get pulled in
_________________
| Quote: | | Removed by Chiitoo |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
PaulBredbury
Watchman
Joined: 14 Jul 2005
Posts: 7310
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:23 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Yes, pam - look at /usr/portage/gnome-base/gdm/gdm-2.18.1.ebuild |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Master One
l33t
Joined: 25 Aug 2003
Posts: 754
Location: Austria
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:33 am Post subject: |
|
|
Has the Gentoo Gnome community fallen asleep???
Gnome has already reached 2.18.2, and with Gentoo (which was supposed to be bleeding edge back in the glory days) it's still 2.18.0, which is still hardmasked?
That's quite disappointing, considering new versions making the experience better.... 
_________________
Las torturas mentales de la CIA |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Naib
Watchman
Joined: 21 May 2004
Posts: 6051
Location: Removed by Neddy
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Master One wrote: | Has the Gentoo Gnome community fallen asleep???
Gnome has already reached 2.18.2, and with Gentoo (which was supposed to be bleeding edge back in the glory days) it's still 2.18.0, which is still hardmasked?
That's quite disappointing, considering new versions making the experience better.... |
the fact you can pull it in shows GENTOO is still bleeding-edge. just cause it is masked doesn't stop it being so
sure would be nice if it went ~ARCH
_________________
| Quote: | | Removed by Chiitoo |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bbe
Apprentice
Joined: 10 Jan 2005
Posts: 158
Location: UK
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:43 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Another happy unmasked Gnome-2.18 user here. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jonnevers
Veteran
Joined: 02 Jan 2003
Posts: 1594
Location: Gentoo64 land
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:28 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Naib wrote: | | Master One wrote: | Has the Gentoo Gnome community fallen asleep???
Gnome has already reached 2.18.2, and with Gentoo (which was supposed to be bleeding edge back in the glory days) it's still 2.18.0, which is still hardmasked? |
the fact you can pull it in shows GENTOO is still bleeding-edge. |
but you can't, I know of no gnome 2.18.2 ebuilds. portage has gnome-2.18.0.ebuild and the gnome-experimental overlay has moved onto gnome-2.19 components (and has no gnoem ebuilds what-so-ever).
you can pull in gnome 2.18.0 but not even 2.18.1 let alone 2.18.2.
http://lwn.net/Articles/236415/
to be honest, i think the gnome devs have fallen asleep. well, at least they have some sort of "tracker" bug out on bgo now:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176517
but the two open bugs (out of four) both are for beagle and one is FreeBSD specific....
There is nothing bleeding edge about still having gnome 2.16 as the stable DE. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
cca
n00b
Joined: 07 Jun 2004
Posts: 38
Location: Greece
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Got a bit tired of waiting too for 2.18 to go stable, so tried my luck yesterday. Unmasked it, and after I prelinked it too, it loads incredibly fast. All I can say is... WOW! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Master One
l33t
Joined: 25 Aug 2003
Posts: 754
Location: Austria
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Naib, bbe & cca, you are still talking about 2.18.0, whereas 2.18.2 is the actual stable release from upstream.
Take a look at Foresight Linux, they not only have *the* next generation package management system (conary from rPath), but they also have stable packages available the day a new Gnome is released.
I was a former hardcore Gentoo user, and still use it on some of my machines, but nowadays I am pretty disappointed about the way it went, that's why I started distro-hopping on my laptop some time ago. I still have not found the perfect distribution for my needs, but about every one I tried (including Fedora, Ubuntu, Arch, Foresight) is now more up-to-date than Gentoo, which was not the case in the good old days.
_________________
Las torturas mentales de la CIA |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
gasparov
Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 13 Apr 2006
Posts: 105
|
| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I already hate totem/gstreamer.....is it possible to have totem using libxine again? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dirk.R.Gently
Guru
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
Posts: 546
Location: Titan
|
| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: |
|
|
| gasparov wrote: | | I already hate totem/gstreamer.....is it possible to have totem using libxine again? |
I like totem without it, much lighter, runs alot smoother.
_________________
• Helpful Linux Tidbits |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
Desktop Environments
