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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:31 pm    Post subject: Gnome 2.18 - stable, the next few days Reply with quote

Gnome 2.18 is out

http://www.gnome.org/start/2.18/notes/C/

stable ebuilds... when???

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually it is not out officially yet:
http://www.gnome.org/start/2.18/

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Gnome 2.18 Reply with quote

enzobelmont wrote:
Gnome 2.18 is out

http://www.gnome.org/start/2.18/notes/C/

stable ebuilds... when???

lol. masked packages will hit portage relatively shortly after it's official release (week or so to get all dependencies resolved and ebuilds created).
then 1 or 2 months for that to hit ~ARCH... then maybe 5-6 months for it to hit ARCH. if we are lucky, based on gnome 2.14/2.16 releases.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For future reference, zero-day bump requests will earn you no points. At least you didn't file a bug asking for it though.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madisonicus wrote:
For future reference, zero-day bump requests will earn you no points. At least you didn't file a bug asking for it though.

I'm pretty sure he gets at least +1 points for asking for stable ebuilds on a negative-zero-day (its not even released yet) gnome build. kudos!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Gnome 2.18 Reply with quote

enzobelmont wrote:
Gnome 2.18 is out

http://www.gnome.org/start/2.18/notes/C/

stable ebuilds... when???


LOL :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it just me or do the release notes make this look like a completely uninteresting and unexciting release? Maybe I'm missing something, but highlighting features like a new volume control and evince being able to open multiple documents in the release notes is not a good sign.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Gnome 2.18 Reply with quote

zietbukuel wrote:
enzobelmont wrote:
Gnome 2.18 is out

http://www.gnome.org/start/2.18/notes/C/

stable ebuilds... when???


LOL :lol:
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I'm pretty sure he gets at least +1 points for asking for stable ebuilds on a negative-zero-day (its not even released yet) gnome build. kudos!


hehehe.. sorry i've just used Mcfly's DeLorean...


sorry my english... :wink:
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some more info here:

http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointSeventeen/ReleaseNotes

Don't know if everything made it into 2.18 though.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.gnome.org/start/2.18/notes/en/
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

any "whats new" info or screenies around

--edit--
found it, not much visual changes, more under the hood with this release

This is one release I want right now!!!
The last time that occured was when I was using mandrake and 2.0 got release (and then began rpm-hell...)

really need 2.18 since there is a nasty bug with gnome and SMB on AMD64 platforms which is fixed in 2.17
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably this release focuses more on stability and performance?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI, Gentoo Gnome devs maintain the gnome-experimental overlay which has been tracking the 2.17.x development series. They started releasing 2.18 ebuilds today. These will become the Portage ebuilds for ~arch.

So if you can't wait for these ebuilds to reach Portage, use layman to add gnome-experimental to your overlays. But don't complain if something breaks! :D
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

for 2.16 I was one of the early guinea pigs, and I can't wait to get my laptop on 2.18 :)

i'll wait for ~arch ebuilds atleast though, it's not THAT big of a deal for me..

yay for gnome.

the integrated desktop security seems interesting and seahorse seems like it might be fun to play with..
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ebuilds in the gnome-experimental overlay are very stable. I've been running gnome 2.17 for a couple of weeks and haven't noticed anything too serious except for evolution having some issues. The icon theme has changed for gnome 2.18, and the icons that show up on the desktop after a volume mounts look like the icons on Mac OSX. I'm not sure if it is a good thing over all, but I like the new look. HAL will probably be the biggest hangup here. There are two issues with it right now regarding which volumes show mounted, and which are supposed to be ignored. That mainly has to do with the root partition and the boot partition that many of us have. I like it and this release is more of a stablization of the code base. There is more in looks that have improved than too many new application. You might enjoy the new chess game, and the sudoku game that has been added as well as the network card setup program that has been re-included in the gnome-experimental overlay. Disks will be able to have their own mount settings with this release. This last feature is mainly because of gnome-mount being bumped to a newer version. :)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gnome 2.18 ? 8O

at rapsure

That sound really interesting.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm, did anyone else run into this?

Code:

checking netinet/tcp.h presence... yes
checking for netinet/tcp.h... yes
checking arpa/inet.h usability... yes
checking arpa/inet.h presence... yes
checking for arpa/inet.h... yes
checking for sys/wait.h... (cached) yes
checking whether strerror is declared... (cached) yes
checking for socklen_t... (cached) yes
checking for PTRACE_GETREGS... yes
checking for PTRACE_GETFPXREGS... yes
checking for lwpid_t in sys/procfs.h... (cached) yes
checking for psaddr_t in sys/procfs.h... (cached) yes
checking for prgregset_t in sys/procfs.h... (cached) yes
checking for elf_fpregset_t in sys/procfs.h... yes
checking for libthread_db... -lthread_db
checking for thread_db_tls_get_addr... yes
checking for TD_VERSION... yes
updating cache .././config.cache
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating config.h
config.status: executing default commands
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gdb-6.6/work/gdb-6.6'
make: *** [all] Error 2

!!! ERROR: sys-devel/gdb-6.6 failed.
Call stack:
  ebuild.sh, line 1614:   Called dyn_compile
  ebuild.sh, line 971:   Called qa_call 'src_compile'
  environment, line 3276:   Called src_compile
  gdb-6.6.ebuild, line 46:   Called die

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does this release include working composite support for metacity? I was under the impression that this release would finally have something useable. I gave up trying to get 2.16 beautified.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also remember reading that 2.18 was supposed to have all the cool 3d graphic effects that we get from Beryl, Compiz, and XGL neatly integrated with gnome. Is my memory faulty or did I mis-read something?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HotBBQ wrote:
Does this release include working composite support for metacity? I was under the impression that this release would finally have something useable. I gave up trying to get 2.16 beautified.

very good question! I think metacity-2.16.3 has composite support included but it's not like beryl, for instance. I saw nothing in the notes about this.

According to the notes, very uninteresting but a solid release. ... and internet games!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are the relevant paragraphs from the 2.16 release notes regarding eye candy.

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Advanced 3D effects

Metacity, GNOME's default window manager, makes its first steps into the world of 3D accelerated desktop computing. Many extensions to its compositor engine let your windows wobble, shrink, explode, fade in and out, bounce on window focus, and show other interesting, unusual or funny effects such as having different transparency for different window types like menus, dialogs, and main windows.

Not yet enabled by default, new compositing affects are only available when Metacity is compiled with the special --enable-compositor option. The new compositing features also depend on support for the GLX_texture_from_pixmap extension, which is only available to owners of Intel i830 to i945, and ATI Radeon 7000 to 9250 chips at the present time.

“It's important to note,” says Vincent Untz, member of the GNOME release team, “that it's an ongoing work, and that more will come in 2.18”. Once Metacity is compiled with the correct option, the effects can be turned on and off without a restart or new login, and applications can take advantage of this. For example, the GNOME terminal can now offer real transparency.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that was the 1.16 release notes, something that is 6-9month old.

yes in those plans they say they want the 3d in gnome-2.18, but no-where have i found that it is in 2.18
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It feels like a lot of things has happened with gnome the last few releases, most of wich are made out of exciting new applications (beagle, deskbar-applet, tomboy etc.), libraries (cairo etc.). I suppose this release, as someone already said, focuses primarily on stability and making all theese things more mature (at least I hope that this is the case). However, I was under the impression that NetworkManager was supposed to be included in 2.18, but I guess it hasn't matured enough to be included yet. As much as I like wpa_supplicant and it's simplicity I think NetworkManager is an application that many desktop (perhaps mostly laptop) users don't want to live without. A simple intuitive interface to switch between networks is something linux has been missing for years imo. I hope NM will satisfy this need when/if it's included.

I'm looking forward to installing 2.18 when the devs are done with it, I know they're working hard on it. 2.16 has been somewhat unstable from time to time on my laptop, hopefully things will get better.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

metacity still doesn't have the 3d effects enabled. The aiglx composite manager in metacity is still considered experimental.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wait to reach ~x86 :D
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