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turtles
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Has anyone tried merging Gentoo and Kubuntu?
Or booting a kubuntu kernel with a gentoo tool chain that is compiled to the same tune as kubuntu?
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: Kubentoo |
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| turtles wrote: | Has anyone tried merging Gentoo and Kubuntu?
Or booting a kubuntu kernel with a gentoo tool chain that is compiled to the same tune as kubuntu? |
You can use any kernel on any distro as far as they can sanely be mixed, meaning that your kernel must have the same /dev support, the needed fs support and so on. I mix them all along, since I share my /boot between all my installations on my desktop machine. I have just one grub.conf and I put my stuff there. To boot your ubuntu kernel on the gentoo partition is a matter of making a clone of the ubuntu kernel section in your grub.conf, changing the root= clause to the gentoo partition, and rebooting.
I am not sure what you you mean by "merging Gentoo and Kubuntu". |
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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wow a new level of customizeability. thanks
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| apt get + portage + wallpaper of a girl, with a sign next to her: Linux is freedom! (insert any bulk here) and a shitty-alike color theme... that has to be it! |
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| Stupidist idea ever |
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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for gods sake...
If you really want to do this you can install portage on kubuntu... I fail to see the benefit tho... You will likely run into many issues.
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| Why? Do you want the speed of Kubuntu installations yet the customization of Gentoo? If yes, try Sabayon Linux. |
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| or use tinderbox. |
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Is tindebox a Gentoo project?
Does portage manage the packages?
Ateo: Yes I want the speed of Kubuntu installations yet the customization of Gentoo.
Is Sabayon Linux just some overlays?
Thanx
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| turtles wrote: |
Is tindebox a Gentoo project?
Does portage manage the packages? |
yep, gentoo binary project, managed by portage,
u install it with emerge -G <package>... read the manual... |
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wow learn something new every day!
I thought Gentoo shunned the idea.
thanks
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| Why not Kentoo, sounds gay I know, but better as Ku-Ben-Too |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| turtles wrote: |
Is Sabayon Linux just some overlays?
Thanx |
Sort of. If you took a gentoo CD, added a shaky overlay, installed with full knowledge that the more CFLAGS you use the better (as everyone should know they're magical talismans...), and screwed your world file up to the point it'd be easier to reinstall than update you'd be pretty much there. |
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| Tolstoi wrote: | | Why not Kentoo, sounds gay I know, but better as Ku-Ben-Too |
Gay is in +
Now we are getting somewhere.
Kentoo
All we need now is slick logo....
To use emerge -G do I need to specify a bin host in my make.conf ?
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yep 
example for amd64...
PORTAGE_BINHOST="http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/default-linux/amd64/"
PKGDIR="${PORTDIR}/packages/" |
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I like the idea of Bintoo...
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Um... how are you going to get the speed without the customization of gentoo. the speed of the gentoo install is directly realated to the customization...
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negative ghost rider
Speed comes from the lack of bloat.
Nowdays, the customization (which I read as CFLAGS, LDFLAGS, etc) can cause more problems than provide speed ups.
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Customization does equal more speed, if your smart about it, if your not smart about it and using whatever you think sounds cool, its probably not
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| djdunn wrote: | | Customization does equal more speed, if your smart about it |
I want to optimize for speed of preforming updates to many servers and desktops.
I did add | Code: | PORTAGE_BINHOST="http://tinderbox.x86.dev.gentoo.org/default-linux/x86/"
PKGDIR="${PORTDIR}/packages/"
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To my make.conf
| Code: | | emerge -avuGDN world |
now checks for binary packages. Havent gotten any yet. Just finished a 14 hour update world on 1 computer yesterday. (Last update was may 15th)
I just dont know howmany times per month I can afford to wait to recompile kde libs the gimp etc.. on how many systems....
I have tried kuroo and kentoo (removed from portage). I have looked at different package managers for Gentoo although I perfer ones with documentation and support so I stick with portage.
I do use cfg-update. It is handy for those configs that clobber the working system. I wish portage could do that.
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Um, distcc? I don't know how your systems are setup, but generally a server won't be updated for quite a long time, and desktops, like I said, you could distcc them. Keep with rolling updates (have to do your research, as always), and down time should be minimal...
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| turtles wrote: | Ateo: Yes I want the speed of Kubuntu installations yet the customization of Gentoo.
Is Sabayon Linux just some overlays?
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Not 100% sure. I don't want to bite my tongue here (i've done that already with Sabayon) but it uses Portage. Most say it's just a bunch of overlays. I suppose, in a nutshell, it's the closest to Gentoo you'll get without the zillion hour install times...
It's an OK distro. I tried it once but it's much to experimental and much to unstable for day to day use (for me at least)... |
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| Dralnu wrote: | | Um, distcc? I don't know how your systems are setup, but generally a server won't be updated for quite a long time, and desktops, like I said, you could distcc them. Keep with rolling updates (have to do your research, as always), and down time should be minimal... |
distcc is working but I can never get any output from the monitor. emerge output does show it being used though. My server setups are 1 ppc server 1 x86, distcc to the x86 laptops. Crossdev to the ppc. Crossdev got clobbered by revdep-rebuild. Keeping unneeded apps updated became too much of a time sink and I went on a emerge -C campaign. I use ssh or "fish" in Konqueror for everything admin wise from my laptop, portage with screen so I can log out and come back in a day and see the updates went OK. I do have a local rsync server. I have messed around with hardened but I did not want to downgrade my toolchain and I kept getting weird messages "this profile is not supported and is merely a convenience" type warning when using the hardened profile with gcc 4.1.
One server runs sql-ledger & cups and the other egroupware. Firewall/dhcp is provided by an old netgear FM114P which is stll a good wifi access point and paralel port for the printer. Good idea to update one and move both apps to the tested updated one if that is what you mean by rolling. Time consuming though since we have added code to sql-ledger, it is not in portage, our modified version is in a versioning system and the developer is rapidly releaseing new versions we have to diff into.
Maybe a perl script would help. hmmmm.
I update world every 60 days at minimum which seems to be forever in Gentoo Land. Seems if you go longer than that it is a gaping security hole of a system?
Good ideas thanks
BTW: Dralnu why do you prefer to use the command line?
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