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Shaman
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Gentoo is unfortunately going downhill to the point where it can no longer track major software releases. Dunno how much longer I'll stay with it, it's mostly the bother of changing to another distribution that keeps me here.
This isn't about 3.5.6/7, just a general comment that packages are starting to get pretty old. If I had time to do ebuilds, I would. 
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| carpman wrote: | | Yep i aware of differences between mask and ~x86 and will try autounmask but still why so long get KDE stable? |
The kde team has had a few hickups since around January. It's getting back on track again. The team was almost up to 400 open bugs and is now slightly over 180 - if you take out the ebuild requests around 115.
To get a version stable the kde team also needs the AT teams to mark packages stable - which also takes time.
| carpman wrote: | | Will we have to wait for ever for 3.5.7 and what about KDE 4, if it takes so long to an incremental update to go stable i hate to think how long for KDE4 |
For the record, Carlo has been uploading the ebuilds for kde-3.5.7 for the past couple of days. It seems his script has died at least once or twice while running.
If you look at layman or http://genkdesvn.sourceforge.net/ you'll notice that there's already work on kde4. Some kde devs are working with other devs and users to get kde4 ready for the tree - which is likely to take a while yet as kde4 is still on alpha status.
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| Archlinux is looking better and better... |
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yngwin
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Arch Linux is good, but it doesn't have split packages for KDE...
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BorgDrone2
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| Ah, yes. Split packages. That feature that makes you download kde 3.5.0, 3.5.1, 3.5.2, 3.5.3, 3.5.4, 3.5.5, 3.5.6, and 3.5.7 source tar balls if you are doing a clean install. Oh, and did I mention blocks? |
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cruzki
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| ToeiRei wrote: | They should be in the official tree soon. Just spotted kde-base/kdebase-startkde 3.5.7 a few hours ago.
Just copy the ebuild files from /usr/portage to your local tree and everything should be fine.
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I do that day before yesterday, but when I do a -uDNavq world portage told me that filed dependencies, so renaming the dependencies its just work? I think I may wait for the "official" realse. |
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ToeiRei
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I didn't do any specific magic on the ebuilds. Just renamed them in my _local_ portage tree. Portage fetches the right files then and compiles.
The buggers so far:
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[ebuild U ] kde-base/nsplugins-3.5.7 [3.5.6-r2]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kopete-3.5.7 [3.5.6-r2]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/klaptopdaemon-3.5.7 [3.5.6-r1]
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Those buddies do not compile here. The rest is just fine.
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| kopete-3.5.7 compiled without problems for me |
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StringCheesian
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| BorgDrone2 wrote: | | Ah, yes. Split packages. That feature that makes you download kde 3.5.0, 3.5.1, 3.5.2, 3.5.3, 3.5.4, 3.5.5, 3.5.6, and 3.5.7 source tar balls if you are doing a clean install. Oh, and did I mention blocks? |
Hear, hear! It would be a nice feature if an ebuild could specify multiple filenames for a distfile, so that for example kdeaddons-3.5.{4,5,6}.tar.bz2 could satisfy kdeaddons-docs-konq-plugins-3.5.4.ebuild.
The best of both worlds: we would keep the way split ebuilds save us from unnecessary bumping and recompiling when a new version contains no changes, without needing multiple versions of the distfile. |
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onesandzeros
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| StringCheesian wrote: | | BorgDrone2 wrote: | | Ah, yes. Split packages. That feature that makes you download kde 3.5.0, 3.5.1, 3.5.2, 3.5.3, 3.5.4, 3.5.5, 3.5.6, and 3.5.7 source tar balls if you are doing a clean install. Oh, and did I mention blocks? |
Hear, hear! It would be a nice feature if an ebuild could specify multiple filenames for a distfile, so that for example kdeaddons-3.5.{4,5,6}.tar.bz2 could satisfy kdeaddons-docs-konq-plugins-3.5.4.ebuild.
The best of both worlds: we would keep the way split ebuilds save us from unnecessary bumping and recompiling when a new version contains no changes, without needing multiple versions of the distfile. |
With the split ebuilds... wasn't part of the idea to be able to specify packages not to build? Is there a way to do that? As much as I like KDE, I don't use, for example, KMail. I use Claws. Can I specify in make.conf or somewhere in /etc/portage/ that KMail shouldn't be built? Something like KDE_NO_BUILD comes to mind, but I can't find anything about it... |
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jmbsvicetto
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| onesandzeros wrote: | | asn't part of the idea to be able to specify packages not to build? Is there a way to do that? As much as I like KDE, I don't use, for example, KMail. I use Claws. Can I specify in make.conf or somewhere in /etc/portage/ that KMail shouldn't be built? Something like KDE_NO_BUILD comes to mind, but I can't find anything about it... |
If you don't want to have kmail, simply don't install it or kdepim-meta. With the split kde ebuilds, a kde package will only be installed if you choose it, the equivalent monolithic meta package that includes it or kde-meta. A split package will also be installed if you choose to emerge an app that depends on it.
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cruzki
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ummm
you can use install kde "package to package" (the split ebuild method) or use the kde-meta package method (that put a collection of "split" package). So if you don't like kmail to be instaled, simply use the split method and don't install kmail and if the problem is find what package do you need, simple instal the kdenetwork-meta and then unistall kmail (emerge -C kmail) |
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jmbsvicetto
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| cruzki wrote: | ummm
... simple instal the kdenetwork-meta and then unistall kmail (emerge -C kmail) |
Please be more careful when making suggestions. This won't work! When you run emerge -uDav world the next time, you'll get kmail again. If you don't want to have a package that is part of a meta package, don't install the meta. One should instead look at the package list of emerge -pv <package>-meta and add those packages with emerge -av package-a package-b package-c.
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onesandzeros
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| Ahhh, I didn't realize there were so many kde*-meta packages. Thanks guys! |
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<3
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ok I tried unmasking kde 3.5.7 and when I try to emerge I get that kdesktop-3.5.6-r1 is blocking kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.7.
| Code: | These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating world dependencies... done!
[ebuild N ] www-misc/htdig-3.2.0_beta6-r2 USE="ssl"
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.7 [3.5.6-r7]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/libkonq-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kdebase-data-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kwin-3.5.7 [3.5.6-r1]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kscreensaver-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kdesu-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/khotkeys-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/ksmserver-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/ksplashml-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kpersonalizer-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/libkcddb-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kghostview-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kcalc-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kpackage-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kmix-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kuser-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/klipper-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/ksysguard-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kate-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kdepasswd-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kicker-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kfind-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kdeprint-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kdeartwork-kscreensaver-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kscd-3.5.7 [3.5.6-r1]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kpdf-3.5.7 [3.5.6-r1]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/khelpcenter-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kcontrol-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kdm-3.5.7 [3.5.6-r1]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/konsole-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kdesktop-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/kdebase-startkde-3.5.7 [3.5.6-r2]
[ebuild U ] kde-base/konqueror-3.5.7 [3.5.6]
[blocks B ] <kde-base/kdesktop-3.5.6-r1 (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.7) |
anyway to fix this or is there a problem in the ebuild? |
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Vlad.Sharp
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@ <3 : try emerging --oneshot kdelibs first, that solved a blockage for me.
Where is the kde-i18n-3.5.7 ebuild? It seems in the haste it was forgotten, and now it blocks kde-meta (not that I actually use kde-meta  ) |
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| BorgDrone2 wrote: | | Ah, yes. Split packages. That feature that makes you download kde 3.5.0, 3.5.1, 3.5.2, 3.5.3, 3.5.4, 3.5.5, 3.5.6, and 3.5.7 source tar balls if you are doing a clean install. Oh, and did I mention blocks? |
1) You don't need to download *that* many source tarballs. A short while back they decided that it was getting slightly excessive so they released fresh packages against the most recent version at that time. If you're really that bothered, all you need to do is copy the package to your local overlay and bump it - since there's no source changes I believe it's very unlikely you'll have any problems with this method.
2) That's half the point of split packages. If package foo is installed at version 3.5.5, why bother recompiling what is essentially exactly the same package (no source changes) at 3.5.6?
3) Stop moaning! If you want every package to be in portage the second it's released, there's only one way that's going to happen - if you do it yourself! You don't need to become a full Gentoo developer, you just need a bit of bash script knowledge (for which ABS Guide serves virtually all your needs) and a dash of ability to read the DevManual and existing package files. For further help, there's also the forums (which you're moaning on now) and the #gentoo-dev-help IRC channel.
When you've got a package you're happy with, upload it to Bugzilla. If you want to contribute lots of packages, consider the Sunrise overlay (see also the #gentoo-sunrise IRC channel) or if they're all related, talking to the relevent Gentoo project regarding proxy maintainership.
Don't ask what <open source project> can do for you, but what you can do for <open source project>!
And if you still only say "I haven't got the time", then consider that just maybe not everyone else has enough time to spend on all the projects they'd like to either. Most of them just don't spend all their time moaning about it and get on with what they can do. |
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Hi folks,
please, i don't want to start a flamewar, but is there any special
reason why this minor KDE update is still hardmasked?
Well, i could (and probably will) unmask it myself now, but i
still don't get it. Are there any serious regressions/bugs/problems known?
Thx in advance for some illuminating information 
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caleb
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For all of you making critcisms in this thread, I invite you to become KDE developers for Gentoo so you can put your time and effort to good use and make it better for everyone. It's not that hard. You seem to have the time to devote to forum posting. Put that time to good use and help us out.
Until then, the few of us who have actually volunteered to do the work can only do so at the pace we're able to maintain. For example, I like to eat, and because of that I have to work, and because of that I can't volunteer 100% of my time to maintaining KDE.
I'm not singling anyone out here. Simply saying that if you're unhappy with the rate of change, then do something more constructive than complaining. Remember: you get what you pay for. |
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| Vlad.Sharp wrote: | | @ <3 : try emerging --oneshot kdelibs first, that solved a blockage for me.) |
That didn't work for me, I still have the same error |
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didl
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| caleb wrote: |
I'm not singling anyone out here. Simply saying that if you're unhappy with the rate of change, then do something more constructive than complaining. Remember: you get what you pay for. |
++1 
Please remember, GENTOO is a distro from users for users and as
such relies on all of your input and help. It may seem a minor version
bump to you but each package has to be tested and ensured sure to work
for most users on a large variety of platforms. For the scientific packages
I maintain even a minor version bump can take several hours to test, major
bumps can take days. Without user's (aka YOUR) help on bugzilla etc.
this simply wouldn't work!
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| <3 wrote: | | Vlad.Sharp wrote: | | @ <3 : try emerging --oneshot kdelibs first, that solved a blockage for me.) |
That didn't work for me, I still have the same error |
should do it. Kioslaves doesn't like kdesktop-3.5.6-r1 and below, so if kdesktop-3.5.7 is installed, kioslaves should be emergeable. |
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I would just like to offer a big thank you to the dev's who do the KDE ebuilds. Too often in our desire to have the most recent packages, we forget that these guys are volunteers and have jobs, families, etc. I imagine it can get a little discouraging when all they hear is complaints. Kudos guys for a job well done. Thanks for all your hard work.
Cheers,
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I upgraded my Kubuntu install to KDE 3.5.7 yesterday. Couldn't be happier. =)
Cut the KDE devs some slack though. If not, join the team and contribute. |
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| peteralf wrote: | | <3 wrote: | | Vlad.Sharp wrote: | | @ <3 : try emerging --oneshot kdelibs first, that solved a blockage for me.) |
That didn't work for me, I still have the same error |
should do it. Kioslaves doesn't like kdesktop-3.5.6-r1 and below, so if kdesktop-3.5.7 is installed, kioslaves should be emergeable. |
That's not working either, sadly I think I should wait for the devs to bring kde 3.5.7 out of hard mask before upgrading this time =/ |
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