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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:07 pm    Post subject: Random rebooting Reply with quote

Hi there,
I have noticed that a "new" computer I built is giving me issues.
I did a dual boot setup as there are a few Windows only games I like. Anyways, it is on WinXP and Gentoo. Both operating systems have been installed and fully setup for months. I've noticed that when using Linux on it, it will randomly reboot. Whether I'm actually using it or it's idling, it will reboot, always within about 10 minutes of a startup. I would think maybe there is some bad memory or something, but a memtest finds nothing wrong. The other thing that makes this really wacky is that it never has ever happened while in windows. I could leave it on for weeks running XP and it wouldn't reboot. The other thing, is I have tried LiveCD's, Gentoo and Ubuntu, and they will also reboot. Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks very much!

(Its a P3 @ 1GHz, ~390MB RAM)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only two things that I can think of are: 1) a bad sector on your HDD (possibly a superblock) where Linux is installed, or 2) a bad block on one of the sticks of RAM that is being accessed by the ramdisk on one of the Linux liveCDs. The fact that memtest didn't find any problems leads me to favour the first of those two possibilities.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The live cd wasn't mounting the linux hard disk though..
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, that really seems like something is wrong with a stick of the RAM. What brand and speed is that RAM? As far as I know, the LiveCDs only use the ramdisk, and it uses a kernel compiled with support for pretty much all hardware. Therefore, it would seem like a problem with the RAM? Have you tried taking each one of the sticks out individually and seeing if the problem persists?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm thinking its hardware, despite you saying that windows worked fine... sometimes windows ignores lots of crap that linux would normally bitch about. but linux doesn't normally "just reboot"... the kernel would panic, or the box would hardlock. tried checking your power supply?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gentoo_zach wrote:
Man, that really seems like something is wrong with a stick of the RAM. What brand and speed is that RAM? As far as I know, the LiveCDs only use the ramdisk, and it uses a kernel compiled with support for pretty much all hardware. Therefore, it would seem like a problem with the RAM? Have you tried taking each one of the sticks out individually and seeing if the problem persists?


Not as of yet- I will try this and get back to you probably tomorrow. Thanks for the help.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure thing; just let us know when you try removing one stick of RAM at a time. Like Omega21 said, it is bound to be a hardware problem. Personally I don't think it would the PSU because Windows may let a lot of things go, but it does not like improper voltage rails, and those are usually the first things to mess up on a PSU. HOWEVER, that being said, it is possible that it is the PSU. I would try the RAM thing firstly though. :)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bunder wrote:
i'm thinking its hardware, despite you saying that windows worked fine... sometimes windows ignores lots of crap that linux would normally bitch about. but linux doesn't normally "just reboot"... the kernel would panic, or the box would hardlock. tried checking your power supply?

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I am hesitant to believe it is the power supply, as it is quite new, only a few months old. One of my friends was afraid it wasn't powerful enough, but I disagree:

500W atx power supply "pentium 4 ready":

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P3 - 1002MHz  (and heatsink fan, strangely enough... XD)
~400MB RAM
Geforce MX 2 (one fan)
4 case fans (80mm)
1 ram cooling fan
4 cold cathode tubes
3 hard disks
1 dvd rw


If that is not straining the power supply, how would I check for defects on the PSU?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you'd have to either check mobo sensors, or hook up a volt-meter to one of your rails. i'd take out the cold cathodes and see if this helps at all, sometimes the inverters draw too much juice.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I didn't know you had CCs in there. I would definitely take those out for the reason that Omega mentioned. I've had several that have had problems with the inverters.
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