Gentoo on OSX

nerdbert · l33t Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Posts: 981 Location: Berlin

does anybody know what this means apart from having portage available on OSX (which sounds kinda good, but there already is fink)?

duff · Guru Joined: 19 Jun 2002 Posts: 466 Location: Clemson, SC

From what's been on the dev-list, that's sounds about it.

Raoul_Duke · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 2:38 pm Post subject:

Why couldn't we have OSX-on-Gentoo......that would be cool :lol:

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Ari Rahikkala · Guru Joined: 02 Oct 2002 Posts: 370 Location: Finland

Er... we do have that...

plate · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 6:34 pm Post subject:

Porting portage to OS X is a very clever move, there's currently no update utility that comes even close if you want to benefit from both the ability of checking out different versions of an application and compiling from source. That's what sets it aside from the Fink, which is essentially from the Debian/dpkg/apt-get realm, if I'm not mistaken. We do agree that portage can do better than that, right?

RedBeard0531 · Guru Joined: 21 Sep 2002 Posts: 415 Location: maryland

i think he was refering to running portage on OSX, not the other way around.
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plate · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 7:05 pm Post subject:

Yes. Gentoo/Mac OS X.

In case latecomers to this thread are confused, we're talking about Drobbins' announcement re: the extension of the Gentoo platform to OS X. Read the frontpage.

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zojas · Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 9:18 pm Post subject:

here's my requisite 'me too' post.

I have quite a few fink & darwinports packages on my ibook in OS X (it also dual boots with gentoo linux of course). but as soon as portage is available for OS X I'm jumping in with both feet. I will be removing every last vestige of fink and darwinports.

I had always thought of fink as kind of a kludge anyway. darwinports looked much nicer, but it is quite immature. the 'port' program has nothing on 'emerge' when it comes to features.

all I can say is hurray!
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Jesore · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2003 12:26 am Post subject:

A similar thing on Windows would be a killer app for open source. OK, compiling wouldn't be necessary (as the whole OS underneath ...) and most win users wouldn't care, but a binary portage like app that has most opensource software incl description in it would be a great help to users and the best publicity for the community.
Just see it from a "normal users" point of view. One of the most common problems besides win crashing is to find appropriate software for their needs - even if they go out and buy it. Most don't even know that free software even exists.
Lately a friend of mine wanted me to burn a cd for him (drivers, tools ... - still on a modem that poor guy) and there was lots of space left, so I just burnt OpenOffice on it. He was VERY surprised that this was legal and I didn't get this from some dark corner of the web.

Now think of the benefit of a software that updates itself automatically and givbes an overview of all free software (incl drivers of the companies that allow), is searchable by cathegories and keywords, installs/removes automatically, tells whenever there are updates (VERY important for normal users - you woldn't believe how many problems I could solve in my neighbourhood by just updating drivers/installing patches) and oft course has a nice gui.

I might be wrong, but this should increase the use of free software more than just a little. What do you think?

Jesore

gsfgf · Veteran Joined: 08 May 2002 Posts: 1266

Will it use ported code for stuff that usually needs glibc? I ran into that problem with Gentoo/BSD. Also, does this include baselayout? If so, i'd be interested as gentoo init is NOT portable.
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Ellidi · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2003 4:05 pm Post subject:

I would set up portage on the box I'm using right now (G4 OS X), but unfortunately it belongs to my dad, who hates it when I tamper with his box. :)
Always blames me when something goes wrong.. :)
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Delphiki · Guru Joined: 04 Oct 2002 Posts: 337 Location: A2

I've been in the market for a PowerBook and this is great. I tried Debian once but didn't care for the package manage system at all. My only computer right now is Gentoo on an x86 processor and I love portage. I won't be getting my PowerBook for a while, so I wouldn't be surprised if this were running at least in early stages by the time I was ready to install it, so I also wouldn't be surprised if I never install Fink at all.
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nerdbert · l33t Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Posts: 981 Location: Berlin

ok, let me get this straight... does this mean that portage will be ported to OSX and that's about it?

[edit]: this is still a great idea, but the anouncement sounded a little more promising than that...

Delphiki · Guru Joined: 04 Oct 2002 Posts: 337 Location: A2

That seems to be the idea, which is just fine with me, as I really like most things about OS X and adding emerge to that will be great. Hmm.. how long until someone writes a front end to portage for OS X?
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heini · n00b Joined: 20 Sep 2002 Posts: 32

Hopefully the thing doesn't stop after OSX. Would be nice to have it on SunOS, HP-UX, etc.

Bye...

Dirk

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e2ka · n00b Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 56

I've been a Gentoo user for about 7 months now and I'm convinced it's the best. I've recently bought an apple computer so that it would support Logic Audio, my sequencer of choice. This announcement is great news to me! This laptop I have bought (12" powerbook) is faster than my work laptop (PII 400), but is currently not set up for doing work (programming java, apache, php, mysql). Oh how I long for shorter compile times with ant!

Seriously, OS X confuses the hell out of me. I know it was built for retards, but maybe that is the reason I find it so confusing. When I install things, I can't tell where they go, I'm not sure how to delete them. Of course I've only been using it for a week and I'm sure I'll get better, but it sure will be nice to have emerge there for me with the UNIX side of things.

Basically here's what I'm looking for portage to be able install for me, so I can be lazy:
* a decent terminal (what were they thinking?)
* jakarta ant
* jakarta tomcat
* mysql
* php 4.x
* Bitchx
* Bittlebee

and more stuff I don't even know I want yet!

Weee! Thanks Gentoo! I'll pay you back someday I promise!

-e2ka

zhenlin · Veteran Joined: 09 Nov 2002 Posts: 1361

I believe MySQL comes with OSX server.

The Mac OS X terminal is just fine. If you are complaining about the non-functional <home> key, there is nothing you can do about that. (Problem with Darwin, I believe).

Portage on OS X might have to incorporate alot of the fink patches...

e2ka · n00b Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Posts: 56

No, that's not what I was complaining about. All I really want is color for emacs syntax highlighting and a nice monospaced font. Also it is a little pokey compared to say, xterm. Also, why doesn't the alt-option button do an ESC ? The normal ESC works but it's not as fast to hit.

-e2ka

soebbi · Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2003 12:18 pm Post subject:

Hell, I want portage for OS X soooo bad! I love kwrite for writing a little piece of code and pasting it into the Apple Project Builder (I hate the Make-file Stuff of KDevelop) for compiling. I use Fink now, but the performance on my iBook/700 is baaad. I hope Gentoo can fix that! Portage would also bring more/more up-to-date programs for OS X, I hope!

Impatiently,
Soebbi

zojas · Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2003 12:20 pm Post subject:

to get color in terminal.app, just set your TERM environment variable to 'xterm-color' in your shell's startup files.

also, do some googling. there is an emacs with a carbon gui so you don't have to run it in the terminal.

it might be here:

http://www.mindlube.com/developer

I got that link from xusers.org, in the stuff from past meetings section.
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mrfab · n00b Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 2

I'm surprised that anyone would wonder why portage on OSX is a good idea unless they haven't been fortunate enough to use portage extensively or haven't been forced to use fink. Portage is infinitely more mature and flexible than fink, particularly when it comes to selecting what parts of what packages you want to use. Add to that the fact that portage will bring along many, many more applications than fink offers and much quicker package development/updating, and it's pretty obvious that this is a SMART MOVE. Admitedly, having fink for package management has been better than nothing, but it just doesn't come close to offering what portage does.

To be honest, though, I don't really see why a metapkg aliiance is even needed. I'm almost positive that gentoo developers could have caught up with the other package systems and surpased them in no time without any help from the outside.

zojas · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 10:47 pm Post subject:

there can be a lot of work involved in porting an app to OS X. the fink & darwinports guys have already done a lot of that work, so no sense re-inventing the wheel.

some packages just need a recompile, but I bet lots will need actual code changes (so patches will have to be generated)
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