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zoto
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 Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: bootloader impotenti |
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Dopo varie peripezie attraverso knoppix riesco ad installare gentoo sul pc, ma al riavvio, con bootloader lilo, mi aspetta una "bella" sorpresa: kernel panic.
Praticamente il kernel di knoppix (prima di lui anche livecd) riconosce i dischi del mio laptop come sda*, mentre il kernel gentoo che ho installato (2.6.22-r5) riconosce i dischi come hda*
Questi sono fstab e lilo.conf precedenti:
lilo.conf
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#
# Start LILO global section
#
# MBR to install LILO to:
boot = /dev/sda
prompt
delay = 70
default = gentoo
lba32
# VESA console with size 1024x768x16:
vga = 791
menu-scheme=Wb
#
# End LILO global section
#
#
# Linux bootable partition config begins
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image = /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r5
root = /dev/sda6
#root = /devices/discs/disc0/part3
label = gentoo
read-only # read-only for checking
#
# Linux bootable partition config ends
#
#
# DOS bootable partition config begins
#
other = /dev/sda2
#other = /devices/discs/disc0/part1
label = windows
table = /dev/sda
#
# DOS bootable partition config ends
#
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fstab
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/dev/sda3 /boot ext3 defaults,noauto,noatime 1 2
/dev/sda5 none swap sw 0 0
/dev/sda6 / ext3 noatime 0 1
/dev/sda7 /home ext3 noatime 0 1
/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto noauto,user 0 0
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per quanto riguarda windows non ci sono problemi, penso allora di cambiare fstab e lilo.conf mettendo al posto di sda hda, ma nel momento in cui faccio partire lilo mi ritrovo un bell'errore in quanto hda6 (root per gentoo) non è corretto.
Mi dicono di passare a grub per evitare il problema sd* vs hd*
allora, lasciando fstab aggiornato
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/dev/hda3 /boot ext3 defaults,noauto,noatime 1 2
/dev/hda5 none swap sw 0 0
/dev/hda6 / ext3 noatime 0 1
/dev/hda7 /home ext3 noatime 0 1
/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto noauto,user 0 0
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scrivo questo grub.conf
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default 0
timeout 70
splashimage=(hd0,2)/boot/glub/splash.xpm.gz
title=gentoo
root (hd0,2)
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r5 root=/dev/hda6 ro
title=windows
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
makeactive
chainloader +1
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Risultato: grub all'avvia non mi fa vedere alcuna schermata, ma automaticamente carica windows...
ora sono alla frutta. Non ho più alcuna idea.
Ultime informazioni sulle partizioni:
hda1 usata dalla toshiba
hda2 win
hda3 boot
hda4
- hda5 swap
- hda6 /
- hda7 home |
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zoto
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: |
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aggiungo che il disco è sata, quindi penso dovrebbe essere riconosciuto come sd*
per ora tuttavia è importante che gentoo almeno parta! |
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MeMyselfAndI
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Se il disco e' riconosciuto come sd* allora perche' usi hda nel tuo file di configurazione di grub ? |
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zoto
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Il fatto è che quando riavvio il kernel ricosce il disco come hda e non più come sda...
del resto mi è venuto anche il sospetto che il problema sia del kernel: con lilo infatti il kernel veniva caricato, ma poi non trovava più i dischi e andava in panic. |
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MeMyselfAndI
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| puoi postare un e un ? |
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Tigerwalk
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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ciao, anch'io ho avuto un problema simile con un laptop toshiba. l'ho risolto dando una label alla mia / con tune2fs e compilando con genkernel.
Anche a me i dischi con cfdisk vengono visti come hd e non sd, ma nel mio /etc/fstab
| Code: | /dev/sda2 /boot ext2 defaults,noatime 1 2
LABEL=lacie / ext3 noatime 0 1
/dev/sda3 swap swap defaults,sw 0 0
/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto noauto,user,ro 0 0
LABEL=LACIE /media vfat quiet,umask=0 0 1
proc /proc proc nodev,nosuid,noexec 0 0
shm /dev/shm tmpfs nodev,nosuid,noexec 0 0 |
Il mio grub.conf
| Code: | title Gentoo Linux 2.6.22-r5
root (hd1,1)
kernel /boot/kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.22-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk=8192 real_root=LABEL=lacie quiet init=/linuxrc udev doscsi
initrd /boot/initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.22-gentoo-r5 |
root (hd1,1), ho la / nella seconda partizione del secondo hd (hd esterno) |
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Manwhe
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Ciao
Domanda "probabilmente" stupida, quando hai compilato il kernel hai settato le libata?
Ciao |
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zoto
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| MeMyselfAndI wrote: | | puoi postare un e un ? |
ecco
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(chroot) Knoppix / # ls dev/sd*
dev/sda dev/sda2 dev/sda4 dev/sda6
dev/sda1 dev/sda3 dev/sda5 dev/sda7
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(chroot) Knoppix / # ls dev/hd*
dev/hdc
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zoto
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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inoltre nel frattempo ho provato con questo conf di grub
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default 0
timeout 7
color light-gray/blue yellow/blue
#splashimage=(hd0,2)/boot/glub/splash.xpm.gz
title gentoo
root (hd0,2)
kernel /kernel-2.6.22-r5 root=/dev/sda6 ro vga=791
title windows
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
makeactive
chainloader +1
boot
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ma con pessimi risultati per linux:
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root (hd0, 2)
filesistem type is ext2fs partitio type 0x83
kernel /kernel-2.6.22-r5 root=/dev/sda6 ro vga=791
error 22: no such partition
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mentre per win tutto ok |
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MeMyselfAndI
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| zoto wrote: | inoltre nel frattempo ho provato con questo conf di grub
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default 0
timeout 7
color light-gray/blue yellow/blue
#splashimage=(hd0,2)/boot/glub/splash.xpm.gz
title gentoo
root (hd0,2)
kernel /kernel-2.6.22-r5 root=/dev/sda6 ro vga=791
title windows
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
makeactive
chainloader +1
boot
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ma con pessimi risultati per linux:
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root (hd0, 2)
filesistem type is ext2fs partitio type 0x83
kernel /kernel-2.6.22-r5 root=/dev/sda6 ro vga=791
error 22: no such partition
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mentre per win tutto ok |
Mi pare sbagliato: il kernel sta in "/boot" di solito non in "/" prova a correggere la riga |
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zoto
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| fatto, ma se non ricordo male, avendo fatto la partizione di boot separata, non cambia nulla |
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zoto
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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con questa configurazione
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default 0
timeout 7
color light-gray/blue yellow/blue
title gentoo
root (hd0,2)
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-r5 root=/dev/sda6 ro vga=791
title windows
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
makeactive
chainloader +1
boot
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nel frattempo mi è stato consigliato di grub/device.map da (hd0) /dev/sda a (hd0) /dev/hda, ricercando il kernel un hd*, ma il risultato è stato che grub non carica nulla.
Viene riportato il seguente errore:
/dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
Sono ancora in alto mare. |
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zoto
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Manwhe wrote: | Ciao
Domanda "probabilmente" stupida, quando hai compilato il kernel hai settato le libata?
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ho attivato seria ATA driver e i supporti per SATA
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#
# Device Drivers
#
#
# Generic Driver Options
#
CONFIG_STANDALONE=y
CONFIG_PREVENT_FIRMWARE_BUILD=y
CONFIG_FW_LOADER=y
# CONFIG_DEBUG_DRIVER is not set
# CONFIG_DEBUG_DEVRES is not set
# CONFIG_SYS_HYPERVISOR is not set
#
# Connector - unified userspace <-> kernelspace linker
#
# CONFIG_CONNECTOR is not set
# CONFIG_MTD is not set
#
# Parallel port support
#
# CONFIG_PARPORT is not set
#
# Plug and Play support
#
CONFIG_PNP=y
# CONFIG_PNP_DEBUG is not set
#
# Protocols
#
CONFIG_PNPACPI=y
#
# Block devices
#
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=y
# CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_DA is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_CISS_DA is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DAC960 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UMEM is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_COW_COMMON is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CRYPTOLOOP is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NBD is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SX8 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_COUNT=16
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE=4096
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_BLOCKSIZE=1024
# CONFIG_CDROM_PKTCDVD is not set
# CONFIG_ATA_OVER_ETH is not set
#
# Misc devices
#
# CONFIG_IBM_ASM is not set
# CONFIG_PHANTOM is not set
# CONFIG_SGI_IOC4 is not set
# CONFIG_TIFM_CORE is not set
# CONFIG_MSI_LAPTOP is not set
# CONFIG_SONY_LAPTOP is not set
# CONFIG_THINKPAD_ACPI is not set
CONFIG_IDE=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y
#
# Please see Documentation/ide.txt for help/info on IDE drives
#
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y
CONFIG_IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECS is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DELKIN is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEACPI=y
# CONFIG_IDE_TASK_IOCTL is not set
CONFIG_IDE_PROC_FS=y
#
# IDE chipset support/bugfixes
#
CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPNP is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPCI=y
# CONFIG_IDEPCI_SHARE_IRQ is not set
CONFIG_IDEPCI_PCIBUS_ORDER=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_GENERIC is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OPTI621 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RZ1000 is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_FORCED is not set
# CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_AEC62XX is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ALI15X3 is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_AMD74XX=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ATIIXP is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD64X is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TRIFLEX is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CY82C693 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CS5520 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CS5530 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CS5535 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HPT34X is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HPT366 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_JMICRON is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SC1200 is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IT8213 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IT821X is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NS87415 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PDC202XX_OLD is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PDC202XX_NEW is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SVWKS is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SIIMAGE is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SIS5513 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SLC90E66 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TRM290 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TC86C001 is not set
# CONFIG_IDE_ARM is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y
# CONFIG_IDEDMA_IVB is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD is not set
#
# SCSI device support
#
# CONFIG_RAID_ATTRS is not set
CONFIG_SCSI=y
CONFIG_SCSI_TGT=y
# CONFIG_SCSI_NETLINK is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_PROC_FS is not set
#
# SCSI support type (disk, tape, CD-ROM)
#
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y
# CONFIG_CHR_DEV_ST is not set
# CONFIG_CHR_DEV_OSST is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR is not set
# CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SG is not set
# CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SCH is not set
#
# Some SCSI devices (e.g. CD jukebox) support multiple LU
Ns
#
CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y
CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS=y
# CONFIG_SCSI_LOGGING is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_SCAN_ASYNC is not set
CONFIG_SCSI_WAIT_SCAN=m
#
# SCSI Transports
#
CONFIG_SCSI_SPI_ATTRS=y
# CONFIG_SCSI_FC_ATTRS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_ISCSI_ATTRS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_SAS_ATTRS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_SAS_LIBSAS is not set
#
# SCSI low-level drivers
#
# CONFIG_ISCSI_TCP is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_3W_XXXX_RAID is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_3W_9XXX is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_ACARD is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AACRAID is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX_OLD is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AIC79XX is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_AIC94XX is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_DPT_I2O is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_ADVANSYS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_ARCMSR is not set
# CONFIG_MEGARAID_NEWGEN is not set
# CONFIG_MEGARAID_LEGACY is not set
# CONFIG_MEGARAID_SAS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_HPTIOP is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_BUSLOGIC is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_DMX3191D is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_EATA is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_FUTURE_DOMAIN is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_GDTH is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_IPS is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_INITIO is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_INIA100 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_STEX is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_SYM53C8XX_2 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_IPR is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_QLOGIC_1280 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_QLA_FC is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_QLA_ISCSI is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_LPFC is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_DC395x is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_DC390T is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_NSP32 is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG is not set
# CONFIG_SCSI_SRP is not set
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direi che qui ci sia tutto |
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zoto
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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[per la cronaca]
tornando al vecchio fstab (con sda* al posto di hda*) grub carica il kernel il quale a sua volta continua ad andare in panic |
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Manwhe
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Ciao
Magari sono sguercio ma non vedo ne l'attivazione dei driver stata ne le libata  |
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zoto
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:14 am Post subject: |
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la stanchezza. sorry!
comunque stamattina mi sono detto: perche' non provare con il kernel precedente? Fatto. Ho messo su il kernel 2.6.21-r4, stesso config e tutto ha funzionato.
A questo punto mi chiedo se non sia stata messa qualche opzione nuova che bisogna abilitare e non me ne sia accorto. |
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Tigerwalk
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| zoto wrote: | la stanchezza. sorry!
comunque stamattina mi sono detto: perche' non provare con il kernel precedente? Fatto. Ho messo su il kernel 2.6.21-r4, stesso config e tutto ha funzionato.
A questo punto mi chiedo se non sia stata messa qualche opzione nuova che bisogna abilitare e non me ne sia accorto. |
potresti fare un diff tra i .config dei due kernel. |
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noice
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| Tigerwalk wrote: |
potresti fare un diff tra i .config dei due kernel. |
si, secondo me ti conviene fare cosi':
copiati i due .config nella tua home e rinominali come kern1 e kern2 poi:
| Code: | $cd /home/zoto (suppongo)
$cat kern1 |grep -vh '^[[:space:]]*\(#\|$\)' "$@" > kernel1
$cat kern2 |grep -vh '^[[:space:]]*\(#\|$\)' "$@" > kernel2
$diff -u kernel1 kernel2 > differenze
$cat differenze
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Kernel78
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| noice wrote: | | Tigerwalk wrote: |
potresti fare un diff tra i .config dei due kernel. |
si, secondo me ti conviene fare cosi':
copiati i due .config nella tua home e rinominali come kern1 e kern2 poi:
| Code: | $cd /home/zoto (suppongo)
$cat kern1 |grep -vh '^[[:space:]]*\(#\|$\)' "$@" > kernel1
$cat kern2 |grep -vh '^[[:space:]]*\(#\|$\)' "$@" > kernel2
$diff -u kernel1 kernel2 > differenze
$cat differenze
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Perchè usi cat e grep ? non puoi usare solo grep ?
P.S. io continuo a preferire il comando che ho in firma io
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noice
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| Kernel78 wrote: |
Perchè usi cat e grep ? non puoi usare solo grep ? |
non sapevo bastasse solo grep  grazie per l'info
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P.S. io continuo a preferire il comando che ho in firma io |
si credo che sia piu' completo 
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Tigerwalk
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:23 am Post subject: |
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@zoto
invece di diff da terminale, puoi usare kdiff3, una comoda interfaccia grafica! |
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wildancer
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Comunque si, i nuovi kernel hanno i driver sata nuovi... c'ho perso un po di tempo anche io per capire...
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.config - Linux Kernel v2.6.22-suspend2-r2 Configuration
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
┌──────────────────────────── Device Drivers ─────────────────────────────┐
│ Arrow keys navigate the menu. <Enter> selects submenus --->. │
│ Highlighted letters are hotkeys. Pressing <Y> includes, <N> excludes, │
│ <M> modularizes features. Press <Esc><Esc> to exit, <?> for Help, </> │
│ for Search. Legend: [*] built-in [ ] excluded <M> module < > │
│ ┌────^(-)─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐ │
│ │ Connector - unified userspace <-> kernelspace linker ---> │ │
│ │ <M> Memory Technology Device (MTD) support ---> │ │
│ │ Parallel port support ---> │ │
│ │ Plug and Play support ---> │ │
│ │ Block devices ---> │ │
│ │ Misc devices ---> │ │
│ │ <*> ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support ---> │ │
│ │ SCSI device support ---> │ │
│ │ <*> Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers --│ │ <------------- Eccoli!
│ │ Multi-device support (RAID and LVM) ---> │ │
│ └────v(+)─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ │
├─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤
│ <Select> < Exit > < Help > │
└─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘
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Okkio mi è sembrato di capire che siano in conflitto con quelli vecchi......
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