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qubex
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 4:38 am    Post subject: Recommendations on fluffy pretty stuff... Reply with quote

Hello! Thanks for reading this far.

For the last year I have been using Firestarter as my "gui of choice" for hacking out a firewall.sh script. This has been working superbly - no problems, no hackers, no open holes. I know it's not perfect, but the ability to see what is going on at any given moment is invaluable to me.

I am looking to upgrade/change software. I want something with a more "proactive approach" - something like watchguard's windows client - something that will interact with both IPTABLES and netstat and maybe even a packet sniffer and give me a realtime view of who is connected to what on my network, and who is hitting what port and whether it is open/closed/etc.

Is this possible? Does software exist like this yet?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might look up these words in your search engine

tarpit
honeypot
ethereal sniffer

There used to be a module for freesco that monitored for port scans
and banned the scanner for a time. You could whip this up in shell
script if you were inclined to
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the recommendations.. Not quite what I was looking for. A combination of ethereal and firestarter I guess is what I am looking for. Ethereal by itself provides too much information, most of it unnecessary (for my needs) - firestarter provides good information on firewall hits, but what happens if a "nice" connection is made to an open port 80? This does not get displayed, rejected, or logged (other than through httpd logging facilities) Perhaps nothing like this exists in linux? Perhaps I have found my first project? :?

This is for my home. Let's say I'm at work and the boss says "weirdness is happening in dodge kimosabe, check for intruders" - what utility would I use, at a glance, to see who is currently connected to a machine? Who is currently being denied access to a machine? Netstat would do this *I think* - is there a gui for it? (I'm not oldskool, i can use CLI but prefer GUI)

(In other words, something that will show every connection, and/or attempted connection, through a particular machine or interface. It *should* be realtime but I can live with it..)

The honeypot is a great idea, when I have a little more money for an "extra box"!

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2003 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

qubex wrote:
Thanks for the recommendations.. Not quite what I was looking for. A combination of ethereal and firestarter I guess is what I am looking for. Ethereal by itself provides too much information, most of it unnecessary (for my needs) - firestarter provides good information on firewall hits, but what happens if a "nice" connection is made to an open port 80? This does not get displayed, rejected, or logged (other than through httpd logging facilities) Perhaps nothing like this exists in linux? Perhaps I have found my first project? :?


You can put options on iptables to log packets it passes through too
I thought. Sounds like all you need is to log everything and write
a program to parse the logged output.


qubex wrote:

The honeypot is a great idea, when I have a little more money for an "extra box"!
Thanks!


You can put multiple IP's on a single physical ethernet card...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

uzik wrote:

You can put options on iptables to log packets it passes through too
I thought. Sounds like all you need is to log everything and write
a program to parse the logged output.

Ahhh.. That is almost perfect. I know you can write to the log for every rule triggered - did not think about adding an "accepted" rule and having that write to the log. I'm slowly getting this.. 8) Thanks. Time to dig out the howtos and manuals on iptables..

uzik wrote:

You can put multiple IP's on a single physical ethernet card...

Would it be More Secure(c) to add multiple IPs to one card or to use another machine? I was under the impression that a honeypot is basically bait, and sometimes the quarry gets the bait.. ;-)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you may also want to have a look at iptraf, it's a curses based realtime ip trafic monitor. I don't think that it'll show you what packets are getting rejected but it will definitly list all the current connections and tell you to which ports and from where.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2003 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent! This was the other half of the puzzle I was looking for. Thanks for the suggestion! :D This will save a ton of time! Keep these suggestions coming! Any more programs like this??
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

qubex wrote:

Would it be More Secure(c) to add multiple IPs to one card or to use another machine? I was under the impression that a honeypot is basically bait, and sometimes the quarry gets the bait.. ;-)


It would be more secure to put it on another physical machine.
There's always the possibility they could figure out how to break past
the honeypot. I don't think it's really that important though. Once they
figure out you did it they can figure out where your other machines
are and go after them. A tarpit is probably better, it will slow down
the automated cracking tools and is less likely to expose you to legal
or retaliatory action.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

snort is always a popular option. with the proper rule sets it can do almost anything.
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