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Workaphobia
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| Just to throw in my two cents (while trying as hard as I can to ignore the god damn tempers above, save for this condescending parenthetical): I would like to see, as someone previously suggested, mundane weekly content like developer moves and package changes separated from the real articles in the newsletter, so manual labor or automated scripts aren't intertwined with genuine original content, nor would they dictate the newsletter's timing. I'm all for decreasing the frequency of the newsletter if it means a little regularity and more information, but I think Gentoo World Newsletter sounds a heck of a lot better than Gentoo Monthly Newsletter. That said, I feel these decisions lie in the hands of whoever puts in the effort to save the newsletter, and from the sound of it, its format revamp is already well underway, independent of my newbish commentary. |
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Paapaa
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| ryker wrote: | I just noticed there's now a poll on this thread. WTF does "Who should run Gentoo" have to do with late GWN issues?
Stay on topic maybe? |
And the funny thing is that I started this thread but I didn't add the poll! Go figure...
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steveL
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| ryker wrote: | @steveL
musikc mentioned to me one time that wolf31o2 needed to be the one to publish it. After reading his recent post on the -dev list, I think that was because he had already decided not to waste any more time on the GWN. |
Understandable, since he's caught up in working on the release. Seems odd that she or someone else could not have just pushed it out, but it isn't a major issue. Personally I would far rather the devs concentrate on the software than the PR but I appreciate it looks bad to the outside world. I am not particularly worried since I see it as similar to the packages thing. That took ages to resolve but when it did we got a whole new codebase for the site; sure search is missing but it's still a Good Thing™ that jokey did that work. (I note the sources are available and anyone can send in a patch if they want to.) Similarly with the newsletter, switching to monthly should make it both less of a burden and more of a special event. Gentoo itself (meaning the software we use) is improving all the time imo. So regardless of external news etc, the devs are doing their jobs right afaic.
Paapaa, sorry about the poll coming into your thread; i posted a separate thread with the info about the two newsletters and added the poll just to give a bit of humour wrt the current situation. That thread got merged in to yours. |
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yodatux
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:07 am Post subject: Does Gentoo still exist? |
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The last Gentoo Weekly Newsletter is from October 15.
Gentoo 2007.1 was not released and 2008.0 is going to be out “when ready”.
Does Gentoo still exist? |
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Old School
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NathanZachary
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Gentoo is still alive and well. There's already a discussion regarding the Gentoo "Weekly" Newsletter in, I believe, the "Other Things Gentoo" subforum.
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desultory
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| Moved from Installing Gentoo to Gentoo Chat. |
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psomas
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: |
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and the portage tree is updated daily with new ebuilds...
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Maedhros
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Split off the comments on the (alleged) sexuality of the poll.
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Coelacanth
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, releases are irrelevant with Gentoo. The portage tree is still getting updated, that's the only thing that matters. |
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beejay
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| Coelacanth wrote: | | Yes, releases are irrelevant with Gentoo. The portage tree is still getting updated, that's the only thing that matters. |
Except if you want to install Gentoo with the CDs provided by Gentoo but can't since the kernel is way too old to support your hardware.
And the argument "one might use Knoppix" is not valid. If you offer a CD to users, users will want to use that. If they can't, they are frightened right at the beginning.
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jonnevers
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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you're talking about jmicron support?
OT: the p*-s*.org site needs more content. |
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Paapaa
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| beejay wrote: | | Except if you want to install Gentoo with the CDs provided by Gentoo but can't since the kernel is way too old to support your hardware. |
And 2007 was a great example because of C2D systems with jMicron controllers. Gentoo still doesn't offer install medium which supports those. I think there should be a way to provide a new install medium in these cases. In general only the kernel would have to be updated and the rest can remain identical.
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bunder
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merged some posts, somewhere. 
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azuriel
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| jonnevers wrote: | | you're talking about jmicron support? |
Yea. That was really annoying when I got my new computer, I ended up copying an install off another computer with an updated kernel. Luckily they're both x86 and I have enough kernel fu to enable the right options the first time.
I didn't even know that 2007.1 had been canceled until I started reading the thread about drobbin's offer...I don't think it'd be that hard to update the website with even that much. I do read p.g.o too, so I'm probably better informed than the average user.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| Paapaa wrote: | | ryker wrote: | I just noticed there's now a poll on this thread. WTF does "Who should run Gentoo" have to do with late GWN issues?
Stay on topic maybe? |
And the funny thing is that I started this thread but I didn't add the poll! Go figure... |
OK let me restate my comments in a different way. This poll was not part of the original post and IMO should not have been added.
I hope I didn't offend anyone this time. |
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concord
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:23 am Post subject: no monthly news letter needede |
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no monthly news letter needed, just bug report and patch download will be enough.
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Bluespear
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Good to find fresh news on gentoo.org main page 
It gives a good summary of the situation and show it's still alive (for the people just looking at the mainpage). |
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NathanZachary
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It certainly is nice to see something new on the frontpage. I just sent an email to pr@gentoo.org in hopes of helping out with the GWN (or GMN). Is there a more formalized route to utilize for becoming an active part of a Gentoo sub-project?
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NeddySeagoon
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| kalos wrote: | | Is there a more formalized route to utilize for becoming an active part of a Gentoo sub-project? |
Typically you contribute to that subproject from the outside for a period. When the team can see you are persistant and not going to go away they will offer to 'recruit' you.
To contribute bugs, and patches, use bugs.gentoo.org
To contribute ebuilds use bugs.gentoo.org or for fast tracking into an overlay, contribute to gentoo-sunrise.
Most projects have a mailing list.
Ask in #gentoo-dev-help on irc.freenode.net. If that fails, email or PM me if you still cannot find the right contact and I'll see what I can do.
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NathanZachary
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@NeddySeagon,
Thank you for the help; I greatly appreciate it. I've been trying to be a more active part of the community and help people with installation. Again, thanks for the advice.
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Tolstoi
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Well, there'll be a weekly one soon again  |
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concord
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really? It will be too busy for unnecessary issue. please concentrate on more strong, more easy and error free portage system and more application.
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nixnut
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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merged above post here.
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