Poll: Would you follow a Robbins led Gentoo fork?

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With all the talk of the current Gentoo crisis and D.Robbins offer to come back and "re-organize" things, the Gentoo community faces the possibility of making a few tough decisions. Mainly, if the offer is rejected, and Robbins decides to fork Gentoo, would you follow him and use the fork? Would it make a difference if the new fork was called "Gentoo" or would you use it no matter what the new trademark and name was?

Note: Civility in the comments is the order of the day. Additionally, I am in no way associated with D.Robbins or any possible plans to fork the distribution, etc.
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beatryder · Veteran Joined: 08 Apr 2005 Posts: 1138

If the guy who started it all wants to do it again... I'd follow him.

That's not to say I might be back :p
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anello · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:59 am Post subject:

I think Daniel Robbins made a clear statement. So figuring from that I don't think that he would fork gentoo!

But I'm really wondering why there is still no fork with paludis???

This gentoo crisis is already taking way too long. If gentoo gets a solid leadership with a proper structure I may install this distribution again.
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imanel · n00b Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 44

It's really hard question...
First of all I hope that everything will be ok and Robbins take lead in near future - but it's only mine opinion and bad topic to discuss that. But if we reach schism then every user must think about few questions: where the community stays? Will it be fully functional fork? Will developers move to new distro? Truly I think that moving to fork will be very hard for some of users(big servers must have stable system...) and because of that much of people will not move... In other hand a lot of users without that problem will move...
I said "yes" but I don't think that there will be any fork - too much work...

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Phenax · l33t Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 972

Unless the current Gentoo messes up on me and starts being archaic, then sure. Until then, I'm satisfied where I am now.

omnio · n00b Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 51

I will follow a fork of Gentoo. Not because the current Gentoo doesn't work. I guess it is obvious to anyone that it does work (and it works well). But the fact that so many devs don't even think that there are problems should make one wonder.

And BTW, the fact that the website has been updated looks rather bad. Like "let's do a favor to those users who don't do anything but talk anyway."

dirk_salewski · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject:

I'm still trying to figure out what those "problems" are everybody feels the need to complain about. Is there any user who is actually hit by problems that can't be fixed with vim (directly) and by uploading the needed changes to bugzilla? And what exactly is "proper leadership" in an open source project? Would a Führer make the developers work harder? Faster? Make accept proposed (by whom) changes more eagerly? If I was a developer - surely not. It would be a reason to drop my work (remember - it would be MY spare time).

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omnio · n00b Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 51

numerodix · l33t Joined: 18 Jul 2002 Posts: 743 Location: nl.eu

That depends on how well the fork works. If it has regular releases, good ebuild quality, proper communication to the world, then yes.
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monsm · Guru Joined: 26 Sep 2007 Posts: 467 Location: London, UK

As a user who has only been around in gentoo-land a few months, I don't notice any crises.

It might e.g. be that a re-organised management would be able to raise the profile of Gentoo in the forest of Linux distros out there. And I guess possibly to get developers to the areas they are actually needed. I must say I haven't seen any glaring gaps so far though.

I would hope Daniel Robbins would refrain from forking and that the rest of the leadership team helps him back onboard instead. Linux don't need yet another distro. Gentoo though is quiet unique in its approach, so an even better Gentoo by far the better choice.

Happy New Year, by the way, and keep up the good work!

dodo1122 · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject:

I would follow the fork, mainly because I would like to see some serious changes in how stuff is managed... mainly the portage tree.

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void_false · n00b Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Posts: 16 Location: PA

I really hope that DR will return to lead Gentoo.

Lepaca Kliffoth · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject:

Is there a Robbins-led fork we should discuss about?
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erm67 · l33t Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 653 Location: EU

YES

Any change is better than no changes at all.
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dirk_salewski · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject:

omnio · n00b Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 51

He obviously read them wrong since since he said that 99% is about the legal status (or the foundation). And you can't expect friendliness when you didn't take the time to read about the topic, but instead you feel strongly that you have something to say. And now I have some other things to do.

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TheChessPlayer · n00b Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 11

As a chess player I would say that a fork is a powerful method under some circumstances. More seriously, a fork could be beneficial to Gentoo as any competition is as a driving force for innovation.

hoacker · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject:

Follow a drobbins fork? Me as a user? Why should I?

- I don't expect significant changes to the speed of updates in the portage trees in the fork because it would basically be the same persons contributing ebuilds (drobbins can not provide all the ebuilds some persons are missing at the moment). Complaints about updates not coming to the portage tree would not fall silent in the fork.
- I don't expect the fork to have a community more alive then gentoo. It would be just a subset of the current gentoo community, so why should it be different or even better?
- The trustees seem not to be very active the last few months, e.g. see missed filing of papers for foundation. This is indeed a problem that has to be resolved. But this has nothing to do with most of the things many users are unhappy with.
- Less devs than users seem to like the idea of drobbins coming back to gentoo (at least it's my impression from what I read in this forum). So, I don't expect the majority of devs to follow the fork. So how could the fork be better than gentoo?

I think it would be better to improve current gentoo than making a fork. How this can be done? I have no idea, yet. But the drobbins discussion is a chance to find out...