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paranode
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 Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:51 pm Post subject: Tester forum? |
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I dunno how you all will feel about this. I was thinking that we might want some kind of testing forum. The test kernel for 2.6.0 came out recently as you know, and the forums are starting to get a lot of messages related to that. That's cool and all, and we need people to test it, but it kind of derails from the quality of a board when people are discussing how to fix problems in beta software. Seems like there should be a place where people can discuss issues with test, beta, and generally unstable software so that people searching around a forum don't run into all these issues that are due to bleeding-edge problems.
Just a thought. Thanks for reading.
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At first I thought you wanted a test forum to test posting 
Then, after reading the post (!!) I actually think this might be a good idea. A special forum for unstable/test/alpha/beta experiences and help questions. It may be a good idea to remove this information from the regular support foras.
I'm pro this paranode!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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I like the idea.
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Good idea I would put there hard masked/development/breakmygentoo stuff.
IMO everything over ~arch applies and there shoud be enough interest.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm glad to see other people would enjoy this forum.  Thanks for the replies.
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This sounds like a great idea, I had a really hard time yesterday trying to answer someones queries about where to post his experience and workaround for a problem with 2.6 and mozilla. Bring it on.
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We're actively talking about this idea. However, it is quite likely that there will be some pretty drastic changes in how Gentoo handles release engineering within the next couple of months. After discussing some scenarios with the other moderators, we've decided to hold off on deciding what to do with this proposed forum until we know more about how the new release engineering system will end up looking.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2003 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| rac wrote: | | ... we've decided to hold off on deciding what to do with this proposed forum until we know more about how the new release engineering system will end up looking. |
I hope you don't hold off too long. This is a great idea. I think the great number of people who would be testing ebuilds could only help with quality control and get more working ebuilds into portage quicker. |
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I'd like to suggest a forum somewhat similar to a general tester forum, but one that shouldn't interfere with the upcoming policy change. A forum for user-submitted ebuilds.
The purpose for this new forum:
A fair number of new users submit ebuilds that have errors. This forum would be a place for user's to submit their ebuilds for others to critique and test before sending them to https://bugs.gentoo.org/.
This in turn would produce higher quality user ebuilds submitted and save the official developers time.
An official developer and user may be working on the same ebuild, duplicating the effort (its happened to me).
You can find new official developers from observing the talent in this forum easier than remembering that you got x number of ebuilds from so and so through https://bugs.gentoo.org/.
A more informal setting such as this forum might encourage users to create ebuilds. |
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I think there's too low of an incidence rate for this type of situation to warrant an entire forum. It would be best if it was all rolled up into one testing forum.
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| Pythonhead wrote: | I'd like to suggest a forum somewhat similar to a general tester forum, but one that shouldn't interfere with the upcoming policy change. A forum for user-submitted ebuilds.
The purpose for this new forum:
A fair number of new users submit ebuilds that have errors. This forum would be a place for user's to submit their ebuilds for others to critique and test before sending them to https://bugs.gentoo.org/.
This in turn would produce higher quality user ebuilds submitted and save the official developers time.
An official developer and user may be working on the same ebuild, duplicating the effort (its happened to me).
You can find new official developers from observing the talent in this forum easier than remembering that you got x number of ebuilds from so and so through https://bugs.gentoo.org/.
A more informal setting such as this forum might encourage users to create ebuilds. |
I like your thinking. A forum covering anything which isn't yet standard and liable to break. It would be good to perhaps have a "Test My Ebuild" Thread so users could monitor it and would hence know whenever you (err..I mean somebody ) makes a new ebuild and needs it tested.
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| puggy wrote: | | It would be good to perhaps have a "Test My Ebuild" Thread so users could monitor it and would hence know whenever you (err..I mean somebody ) makes a new ebuild and needs it tested. |
A thread would be good. It could be a sticky maybe. And it could also be moved to the testing forum if one did get created
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| paranode wrote: | | puggy wrote: | | It would be good to perhaps have a "Test My Ebuild" Thread so users could monitor it and would hence know whenever you (err..I mean somebody ) makes a new ebuild and needs it tested. |
A thread would be good. It could be a sticky maybe. And it could also be moved to the testing forum if one did get created |
If it's popular enough it wouldn't even need to be sticky...
Reckon you can churn out one a day to keep it up there Pythonhead?
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| paranode wrote: | | I think there's too low of an incidence rate for this type of situation to warrant an entire forum. It would be best if it was all rolled up into one testing forum. |
If there's too low of an incidence rate that isn't because there are so few users submitting ebuilds, its because users submit them and let the developers test them.
I'm not suggesting they don't create a general testing forum, its just that everyone seemed to like it but it seems they have a better plan in mind in the upcoming release system.
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It would be good to perhaps have a "Test My Ebuild" Thread so users could monitor it and would hence know whenever you (err..I mean somebody ) makes a new ebuild and needs it tested.
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I knew I couldn't fool you. Seriously though, if I submit a new ebuild that other users tested I'd feel a lot more confident I won't be wasting a developer's time. If people test my ebuilds, its not helping me. The ebuild already works for me. Other users may find some dependency I missed and it'd be saving the official developers time.
An example of seeing this in action:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=66960
People are requesting ebuilds for games in this thread and we knocked out ebuilds for every one we could and determined which ones aren't ready for ebuilds yet. This turned into people posting ebuilds. Gamers & Players isn't the correct forum of course, but its a popular thread and we're getting ebuilds. Non-programmers tested the ebuilds and got their game running on Gentoo quicker, so there is incentive for non-programmers to test them.
If we had the same thread in Portage & Programming, it probably would have faded away due to the high turn-over of messages there.
The gaming thread brings up another point. People are either too lazy to submit an official request for an ebuild, don't know how, or don't know where to do it. This proposed forum could help with that also.
I've tried testing ebuilds on Portage & Programming and did get people to test a few ebuilds, but I thought I'd throw out the idea of a dedicated forum to help ebuilders focus. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| Pythonhead wrote: | | paranode wrote: | | I think there's too low of an incidence rate for this type of situation to warrant an entire forum. It would be best if it was all rolled up into one testing forum. |
If there's too low of an incidence rate that isn't because there are so few users submitting ebuilds, its because users submit them and let the developers test them.
I'm not suggesting they don't create a general testing forum, its just that everyone seemed to like it but it seems they have a better plan in mind in the upcoming release system.
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It would be good to perhaps have a "Test My Ebuild" Thread so users could monitor it and would hence know whenever you (err..I mean somebody ) makes a new ebuild and needs it tested.
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I knew I couldn't fool you. Seriously though, if I submit a new ebuild that other users tested I'd feel a lot more confident I won't be wasting a developer's time. If people test my ebuilds, its not helping me. The ebuild already works for me. Other users may find some dependency I missed and it'd be saving the official developers time.
An example of seeing this in action:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=66960
People are requesting ebuilds for games in this thread and we knocked out ebuilds for every one we could and determined which ones aren't ready for ebuilds yet. This turned into people posting ebuilds. Gamers & Players isn't the correct forum of course, but its a popular thread and we're getting ebuilds. Non-programmers tested the ebuilds and got their game running on Gentoo quicker, so there is incentive for non-programmers to test them.
If we had the same thread in Portage & Programming, it probably would have faded away due to the high turn-over of messages there.
The gaming thread brings up another point. People are either too lazy to submit an official request for an ebuild, don't know how, or don't know where to do it. This proposed forum could help with that also.
I've tried testing ebuilds on Portage & Programming and did get people to test a few ebuilds, but I thought I'd throw out the idea of a dedicated forum to help ebuilders focus. |
Short of getting a new forum do you think a sticky in portage and programming would do the trick (For the testing ebuilds issue at least)? Getting the word out to the gamers to look there would be useful as well.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| puggy wrote: |
Short of getting a new forum do you think a sticky in portage and programming would do the trick (For the testing ebuilds issue at least)? Getting the word out to the gamers to look there would be useful as well.
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Yes, I would think so. It might annoy people if it gets too crowded with testing posts, but I guess its popularity might show a reason for a separate forum. I'd think most people going to that forum aren't going to test them unless its an ebuild they'd like to have a.s.a.p.
I did post a link to a thread in P&P for each ebuild I made and asked people to reply in that thread.
I don't even play those games I made the ebuilds for, I just saw the thread and thought it'd be a good way to practice creating ebuilds.
Anyways, unless somebody else chimes in, maybe there isn't really a need for the forum. Any developers have an opinion? Is the user-submitted ebuild maintainer reading this?
[EDIT:] If any testing thread deserves sticky I think this would be the poster child. 16 pages of thread and it is rarely on page one of P&P, the GLIS:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=55293&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
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