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gentoonewb39
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 Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: any reason for a desktop user not to use ~arch globally? |
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So I'm about to get a new laptop and since that will require me to reinstall gentoo I was thinking that most of the apps I use I have already set to ~arch simply because I want the latest and greatest fetures so my question is as a desktop user is there any reason I shouldn't use ~x86 globally?
Ps what I mean by desktop user is that I'll survive if an app crashes every now and then _not_ that it is acceptable for them to crash often |
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aeacu5
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| Quote: | | A package may be masked because it fails to compile or has serious bugs. It may also simply be masked because the latest version to brand new and therefore not tested enough to be included in the main portage tree. |
Developmental releases are masked, so untested.
So latest and greatest might not really be entirely true all of the time.
I've put accept keywords in make.conf, with mixed results.
package.keywords might be your best bet, especially since you can control which packages you want to unmask. |
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krinn
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| no real ones, as long as you keep on your mind that you could have trouble and that you don't really care if an emerge world fail |
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aeacu5
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| aeacu5 wrote: |
I've put accept keywords in make.conf, with mixed results.
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gives new meaning to ``break my gentoo". |
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gentoonewb39
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[quote="aeacu5"] | Quote: | | Developmental releases are masked, so untested. |
I thought it was something along the lines of software with any outstanding bugs younger then 30 days are masked. Now that I think about it that definition wouldn't make any sense but neither does the one that you suggest as off the top of my head you can take any release of xmonad and they are all still masked despite not being dev releses but rather actual releases. Also some packages are masked on x86 and not ppc for example so what really is the definition of ~arch?
[quote="aeacu5"] | Quote: | | I've put accept keywords in make.conf, with mixed results. |
Mind giving some exampels of the problems you encountered? |
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aeacu5
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perhaps it's different for some packages, as they are not considered stable...
this may shed some light: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2507147.html?sid=4bb3202c3cbfe2292d4bd4a4a7bbf507
| Quote: | | Mind giving some exampels of the problems you encountered? |
mixed results meaning i've ran a stripped-down server just fine, but when the system gets bigger as for a desktop environment, libraries or other packages would die when emerging, with cryptic error messages... a lot of the time because of trying to emerge a library that is too new. |
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Wojtek_
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Hi,
I've used a Gentoo ~x86 installation for two years on my laptop and got a bit fed up with it - I made a fresh install a month ago (x86 instead of ~x86 this time) and this was a great decision. Using ~x86 I simply installed to many things much too often and they didn't always work well when put together - each time a new version of xorg-server or hal came out I had to spend some time figuring out how things worked. My current system uses ~arch versions of most apps I use (Eclipse, Pidgin, Firefox etc) but the base (X, Gnome) is stable - that's the setup I'd definitely recommend.
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Wojtek
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krinn
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it's just that an ~arch application have an unknown status, after some time, it goes mask if totally bork, else if everything "seems" fine it goes arch and its state as "stable"
for me it's just a way to get newer versions faster:
arch = need to ~arch to package.keyword something to get the latest version
~arch = need to package.mask something that is too unstable/impossible to compile for you.
I mean it's cool to ~x86 vlc to get the latest vlc, but it's also possible to mask latest vlc if you think you prefer previous/arch version
as you see, you're always the one need to help your gentoo get the final choice. |
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