opera 9.5 bugs

Gentree · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: opera 9.5 bugs

Hi,

I had witnessed problems with email during 9.5-betas so I waited for the 9.5 release before updating. (Note I avoid the term upgrading).

The email DB issues seem to be fixed so it is usable but there are a number of issues that are bugs/regressions in relation to 9.27 . Some may be due to the ebuild that works around failure in the install script and says don't worry , it's safe to continue.

In view of the fact the install script never completes some of this may be due to the ebuild ignoring errors.

Does anyone else get these problems?

1/ with "close buttons in each tab" disables the common min/max/close buttons do not work, they are present but do nothing. Disactivating and reactivating this options wins you two sets of buttons. The second ones work , but next time you start opera you're back to square one.

2/ email check button is stuck with "Stop" caption, like it's getting mail , but it isn't. The menu method works but is a drag. Messy breakage. Hard to see how this got missed in testing , I saw this happing since alpha.

3/ it is no longer possible to save / open an image included in an email. This is a cripple feature. Dumb regression.

Anyone got any ideas on these issues?

TIA, Gentree.

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bpaddock · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:56 am Post subject:

I've started Opera 9.50 twice now. Both times it has asked me if I want to update to new email format.
When I hit 'Yes'. Opera locks up. Left it go for hours and it never recovered. There is almost no email,
but there are a lot of RSS feeds.

Gentree · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:55 am Post subject:

I had that sort of thing with alpha. At least on my email this is fixed so maybe it is related to the rss feeds. I'm surprised (and disappointed) that they did not resolve this sort of thing during the lengthy beta period.

Another feature regression I just noticed is clicking on a tab used to toggle it to and from being in front , this was very useful for comparing two pages without moving the mouse. It is now necessary to move the mouse from one tab to the other.

Another nice Opera feature goes out of the window.

I really wonder if they are not blindly trying to emulate "other" browsers now even to the point of regressing good opera features.

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curmudgeon · Veteran Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 1741

I have the "Show close button on each tab" disabled, and the minimize, maximze, and close buttons do not work at all.

How could they ever release this with such a huge bug?

Holysword · l33t Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 946 Location: Greece

I had problems too, that did never happened with later version of opera.
When I try to open some pages (like youtube.com), opera "crashes". It comes back after some minutes, with the following message in terminal:

Gentree · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject:

Oh, that's Opera and flash trouble. Perfectly normal, most intellegent life forms suffer from that.

I once manage to get it working with help from opera tech.supp. but it broke again next time I looked at it. Now they no longer give support to thier long time customers who payed them a licence fee when they were getting off the ground, I have stopped wasting time doing incantations to get it to work.

Short answer: use firefox for youtube and flash in general.

I was a long time fan of Opera but I think they're loosing the plot.

The only thing that keeps me using Opera is I like having email client and browser in one. Since most of my emails have some link in them it's highly practical.
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Holysword · l33t Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 946 Location: Greece

Bah, I would be glad if it just don't work, instead of crash XD
Before upgrading, it just didn't worked. The problem is that a lot of pages have flash, if it crashes in each one of those, we have a problem!!! XD
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Nerevar · l33t Joined: 31 May 2008 Posts: 720

Are you guys using 64bit systems? Just curious, because I'm not having any troubles with youtube in Opera 9.5 (or 9.27 for that matter).

Holysword · l33t Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 946 Location: Greece

amd64 here, quad core.
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Gentree · Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject:

Holysword · l33t Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 946 Location: Greece

My problem is not only with youtube. For example, www.inbox.com does not open - not even the presentation page.
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Martux · Veteran Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 1917

Hello!
Wasn' t Opera 9.5 supposed to work with Flash? I am on ~amd64 here and no site with netscape-flash-9.0.124.0 works. Does anyone actually have this work?
Also java seems not to work at all. When i select the path to the java plugin it says "java found" but when i close and reopen Opera java checkbox is disabled.
The crazy thing is, Flash works in konqueror. There are so many threads and different solutions here about flash and opera, i am seriously confused.

EDIT: after further fiddling still no solution for this...
Could anyone who has this working on amd64 tell me how? Which paths are searched, with or without nspluginwrapper etc.?
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ppurka · Advocate Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 3256

Extremely strange. I just started opera with a new profile and saw the exact same behaviour even when there were no duplicate plugins. I kept on reducing the number of active plugins by checking off paths one by one and finally got it down to one directory /opt/netscape/plugins. Still opera would lock-up for sometime on visiting youtube. Finally, I checked off all the existing plugin paths and added only /usr/lib/nsbrowser/plugins. Now, opera is fine and doesn't lock-up anymore :roll:

FYI, the plugins I had in /opt/netscape/plugins were: flash-10beta and realplayer
the plugins I have in /usr/lib/nsbrowser/plugins are: flash, realplayer (symlinked to /opt..), mplayerplug-in.

I had always assumed that duplicate plugin paths were causing the lockups. But I have to recant that statement. Somehow my configuration of having only /usr/lib/nsbrowser/plugins seems to work. I made some more 'experiments':
1. the only problem comes from flash
2. If the path of flash is not in /opt but somewhere else in /usr then opera does not lock up
3. for other plugins it does not matter where they are kept.
4. duplication of plugins does not matter (as long as they are the same version)

Hope the above information helps you guys troubleshoot further. Based on the above behaviour, I would say that flash is to be blamed here and not opera. All the rest of the plugins work fine.
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Martux · Veteran Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 1917

@ppurka:
Wow, thank you man!!! On my ~amd64 box with nspluginwrapper installed youtube now works with only /usr/lib32/nsbrowser/plugins/ path checked.
Works like a charm and also this annoying hang up dissappeared

Now only java needs to work correct, setting the path to /opt/emul-linux-x86-java-1.6.0.06/lib/i386 doesnt' t seems to do the trick.
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Gentree · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:29 am Post subject:

Cyker · Veteran Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 1746

I experienced the min/max/close button failures also right after I installed 9.50. I started experimenting with it to see if I could duplicate the behaviour in order to submit a bug report, but now they work again!

As for the 'clicking on tabs to cycle back and forth between two pages' thing, check that your settings for tab behaviour are setup to do this.

This is annoyingly typical behavior for Opera during upgrades due to underlying changes in default settings and such (It also buggered up my skin. I'm gonna have to re-make it due to some underlying elements changing in the default skin).

Every non-minor upgrade usually has me checking all my settings in order to reest behaviour and this has been no exception!

It is back to normal now 'tho, and the memory use is HALVED (!!) compared to 9.50beta2!!!
I had to kludge Flash 10 to get it to work again (I'm just not going to bother using portage's anymore...), but everything's just dandy now

(Well, apart from the mankified skin

)

Gentree · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject:

Thanks, I was "click tab to minimise" that I had missing. That's one less annoyance since it is very practical.

Any idea what kind of "experimenting" is needed to get the close button to work? Since not everyone is hit by this is good in one respect but makes it harder to track down.

Sounds like your's just fixed itself at some stage and you're not quite sure what triggered it.

One thing is sure, the email client is a lot more responcive and faster now. Big improvements there.

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Cyker · Veteran Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 1746

I really wish I could tell you!!

Two things that might have had an effect:

1) Prefs->Advanced->Browsing->[Show Window Menu] - Toggle, save, exit, try, repeat

2) With Show Window Menu enabled, click window menu (Icon left of File) and change the decorations.

Also, please file a bug report with Opera so they know we're not making it up!!

Gentree · Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject:

thanks tried the window menu toggle , no change.

I really don't understand you 2) , I have nothing left of File (if you mean on the main menu). I see nowhere to change decorations.

Sure, I file bug reports on all this before posting here. Don't know if they'll follow it up.

Still, I suppose the improvements in the email client outweigh these small bugs.

thanks for your suggestions.

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