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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:32 am    Post subject: Fglrx & radeon 3600 Reply with quote

Hello! Could you explain why I get only 400 fps in glxgears
while
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localhost ~ # glxinfo | grep direct
direct rendering: Yes
localhost ~ # glxinfo | grep -i OpenGL
OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series
OpenGL version string: 2.1.8087 Release
OpenGL extensions:
localhost ~ # eselect opengl list
Available OpenGL implementations:
  [1]   ati *
  [2]   xorg-x11

And
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localhost ~ # glxgears
1900 frames in 5.0 seconds = 379.006 FPS

I am using Kernel 2.6.27 X.org 7.2 and latest fgrlx from portage
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've experienced the same since upgrading to Catalyst 8.10, everything else doesn't feel slower though.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no, but please ignore glxgears. Its results or more or less useless. Only under very special circumstances its results are usefull. Checking your cards speed is not. Try stuff like xrenderbench, gtkperf, phoronix test suit or some 3d game.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fgl_glxgears provides same poor results....
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssmaxss wrote:
fgl_glxgears provides same poor results....


and fgl_glxgears is as useless as glxgears.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know the phonorix crowd hate *glxgears and whatnot, but it is useful, and in this case 400fps on glxgears is appallingly low, I'm sure even mesa could match/exceed it (depending on the cpu).
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

glxgears is more influenced by the kernel frequency governor than the card.

And not only the phornonix crowd hates glxgears - everybody does. Nvidia guys, X guys, AMD guys, Intel guys, ... everybody.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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glxgears is more influenced by the kernel frequency governor than the card.

governor "performance" - 300FPS
governor "ondemand" - 400FPS :? 8O
Strange things....
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

are you sure that not some background stuff is fucking around with you? like beagle or kerry or whatever indexing tool is running? or some stupid antivirus? are you using desktop effects?

energyman@energy film2 % glxgears
7056 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1408.320 FPS
8579 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1713.635 FPS

energyman@energy film2 % glxgears
23669 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4733.793 FPS
26007 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5201.291 FPS

first desktop effects enabled, second, desktop effects disabled.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am using KDE 4.1.2 from portage with desktop effects disabled. My xorg.conf if it matters:
Code:
Section "ServerLayout"
   Identifier     "X.org Configured"
   Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0" 0 0
   InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
   InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
   RgbPath      "/usr/share/X11/rgb"
   ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
   FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/corefonts"
   FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/fromwindows"
   FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/misc/"
   FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/TTF/"
   FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/OTF"
   FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/Type1/"
   FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/"
   FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/"
EndSection

Section "Module"
   Load  "dbe"
   Load  "GLcore"
   Load  "glx"
   Load  "dri"
   Load  "record"
   Load  "extmod"
   Load  "xtrap"
   Load  "type1"
   Load  "freetype"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier  "Keyboard0"
   Driver      "kbd"
   Option       "XkbLayout" "us,ru"
   Option       "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier  "Mouse0"
   Driver      "mouse"
   Option       "Protocol" "auto"
   Option       "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
   Option       "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
   Identifier   "Monitor0"
   VendorName   "Monitor Vendor"
   ModelName    "Monitor Model"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
   Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
   Option       "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
   Option       "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
   Option       "DPMS" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"

        ### Available Driver options are:-
        ### Values: <i>: integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False",
        ### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz"
        ### [arg]: arg optional
        #Option     "ShadowFB"              # [<bool>]
        #Option     "DefaultRefresh"        # [<bool>]
        #Option     "ModeSetClearScreen"    # [<bool>]
   Identifier  "Card0"
   Driver      "radeonhd"
   VendorName  "ATI Technologies Inc"
   BoardName   "Unknown Board"
   BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Device"
   Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
   Driver      "fglrx"
   BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
   Identifier "Screen0"
   Device     "Card0"
   Monitor    "Monitor0"
   SubSection "Display"
      Viewport   0 0
      Depth     1
   EndSubSection
   SubSection "Display"
      Viewport   0 0
      Depth     4
   EndSubSection
   SubSection "Display"
      Viewport   0 0
      Depth     8
   EndSubSection
   SubSection "Display"
      Viewport   0 0
      Depth     15
   EndSubSection
   SubSection "Display"
      Viewport   0 0
      Depth     16
   EndSubSection
   SubSection "Display"
      Viewport   0 0
      Depth     24
   EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Screen"
   Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0"
   Device     "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
   Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
   DefaultDepth     24
   SubSection "Display"
      Viewport   0 0
      Depth     24
   EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Extensions"
   Option  "Composite"    "Enable"
EndSection

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks good. I would try some real 3d stuff before panicing.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nexuiz works fine at 1280x1024 with normal effects, but it is not blazing fast at ultra effects turned on. Is it ok?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssmaxss wrote:
Nexuiz works fine at 1280x1024 with normal effects, but it is not blazing fast at ultra effects turned on. Is it ok?


with a 3600? I would say so.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes with 3600. Ok I won't worry any more and hope radeon or radeonhd will eventually produce 3d acceleration without such strange things.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

back with my nvidia 8600GT ultra details and 'maximum beauty' were too much for it so if you have playable framerates I would say that everything is fine.

And about rhd:
http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13685

scroll down to bridgeman's posting - I'd say the future looks very bright.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your help and link to very intersting post! Hope we will se working OSS 3d soon. And I have another problem: s2ram doesn't work with my configuration
s2ram -f and s2ram -f -p works but system freezes several minutes after resuming.
s2ram -f -p -s and s2ram -f -p -m fails with segmentation fault.
My motherboard is GA-P31-DS3L if it matters.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't help you with that. s2ram and s2disk never worked for me.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hm. Just noticed:
Code:
localhost ~ # glxinfo
name of display: :0.0
display: :0  screen: 0
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string:[b] SGI[/b]
server glx version string: 1.2
....
OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.                                   
OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series                             
OpenGL version string: 2.1.8087 Release                                       


Is it normal?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes ;)
you can also try fglrxinfo:
fglrxinfo
display: :0.0 screen: 0
OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 3870
OpenGL version string: 2.1.8087 Release

glxinfo:
glxinfo
name of display: :0.0
display: :0 screen: 0
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
server glx extensions:
GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap,
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_OML_swap_method,
GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group
client glx vendor string: SGI
client glx version string: 1.4
client glx extensions:
GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context,
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_MESA_allocate_memory,
GLX_MESA_swap_control, GLX_MESA_swap_frame_usage, GLX_OML_swap_method,
GLX_OML_sync_control, GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGI_swap_control,
GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig,
GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group,
GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap
GLX version: 1.2
GLX extensions:
GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_import_context,
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_OML_swap_method,
GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_visual_select_group
OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 3870
OpenGL version string: 2.1.8087 Release
OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anyone using the open radeonhd driver? if yes what card do you have?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

radeonhd doesn't support 3D and other accelerations yet. AFAIK it supports r5xx and r6xx series of radeon chips.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are some very good news regarding radeonhd, but don't hold your breath - it looks like a nice christmas present.

http://emmes.livejournal.com/
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to me that I have found root of this problem. It is PowerPlay. Flgrx thinks that 100mhz per gpu core is enogh for glxgears and thus produces so poor results. But if I start several glxgears powerplay raises core clock and fps jumps to 1000-1500fps. Now I have a question: how can I disable PowerPlay on fglrx?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are powerplay options with aticonfig - the command line tool.
POWERplay Options:
Following options will not change the config file.
These options will be effective immediately. Other options on
the same command line will be ignored.
--lsp, --list-powerstates
Print information about power states and exit.
--set-powerstate=NUMBER
Set a power state listed by --list-powerstates.
--auto-powerstates=on|off
Enable/disable automatic transitions between battery and performance
modes on AC/DC transitions. This automatic mode is enabled by default,
and may compete with atieventsd style power management.

there are a lot more sweet options to play with!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is that for me:
Code:
localhost ~ # aticonfig --lsp
    core/mem      [flags]
-----------------

And
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localhost ~ # aticonfig --auto-powerstates=off
aticonfig: unrecognized option `--auto-powerstates=off'
aticonfig: parsing the command-line failed.

I now want to use VMWare 3D acceleration feature and it is very slow. Warcraft 3 even at lowest settings is not usable insdie virtual machine with 3d acceleration enabled.

Update: Just noticed new fglrx in portage. Will try with it.
Update2: someone commited ebuild with new version and same source file.
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