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handsomepete
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| For someone that hasn't been following development, what improvements/features are we in for? |
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Lovechild
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Well mostly they included more modules in the standard package now - Epiphany is shipped with GNOME 2.4 fx.
And all the little things like reduced resource usage, HIGification... biggest change to the base packages you know and love has to be the panel which has been rewritten to be right.
But it's basically a more complete desktop now, and for users of GNOME 2.2 it's more of the things you love... |
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karl11
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Big noticable differences....
1) Nautilus got superfast!!! You just think 2.2.x is fast.....you are in for a surprise....
2) The four panel types got consolidated into one panel....which is actually really cool.
3) Hig - You can have your desktop to be your HOMEDIR...very very nice also....
4) Deprecation of liblinc and bonobo-activation. These libs were moved into ORBit2 and libbonobo respectively. This breaks most all apps that depend on gnome. I don't remember gaim breaking, but nearly everything else did. Oh well, that's why gentoolkit provides revdep-rebuild....
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ikshaar
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3) Hig - You can have your desktop to be your HOMEDIR...very very nice also....
Hi, sorry but this is hardly new... you could do that for a while by changing two settings in Gconf about Nautilus... (I don't like it personaly , I tried it but no thanks). Perhaps you meant that it is now more easy to set...
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karl11
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no....It has been in to my knowledge since 2.3.0...if before, then I apologize for being incorrect....It's not any easier to set to my knowledge, but I was giving the overview for the standpoint of someone going from 2.2.2 to the newer version of gnome. Again, if you can do that in the gnome 2.2.x stuff, my apologies....but I'm especially sure that gnome-2.2.x doesn't support the .hidden file.
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ikshaar
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No problem, was just to be more precise. Using gnome-2.2.2 here and nautilus-2.2.3, and yes you can do it.
About hidden files, not sure what you meant by "support .hidden files". If you choose Nautilus to draw your desktop, set your desktop as your homedir, Nautilus works as usual for hidden files. If you set "Do not show", they don't clutter your desktop...
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karl11
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yeah...but the .hidden file is a simple text file listing the files and directories you wish not to have show on the desktop. my ,hidden contains one line:
evolution
That's cool you can do it with the 2.2.x stuff...
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erik_swanson
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Now I'm torn. I love XD2GEN2, but this stuff almost seems cool enough for me to kick XD2 into the dumpster until Ximian updates..
Bah, I say. Bah. |
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Daganoth
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I recently recompiled gnome yesterday on my main computer. Assuming there is new packages, I recompile every other day   . But as of yesterday I noticed amazing performance increaces, especially in the speed the desktop and gtk applications are drawn. Now my gnome desktop is drawn faster than even Windows applications.
I can't wait for 2.4! |
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Downloaded gnome-current from BMG and got this error message:
| Code: | k27 portage # emerge -p world
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating world dependencies /
emerge: there are no masked or unmasked ebuilds to satisfy ">=gnome-extra/gnome- media-2.3.7".
!!! Problem with ebuild gnome-base/gnome-2.3.5.99-r9
!!! Possibly a DEPEND/*DEPEND problem.
!!! Depgraph creation failed.
k27 portage # emerge -p gnome
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies \
emerge: there are no masked or unmasked ebuilds to satisfy ">=gnome-extra/gnome-media-2.3.7".
!!! Error calculating dependencies. Please correct.
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| maxmc wrote: | Downloaded gnome-current from BMG and got this error message:
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Thanks for the heads-up... It's fixed now, but in the future please post problems with the -current tarball here: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=463546#463546  |
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Nylle
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Yes, that is one of the nicest overviews of gnome 2.4 I've seen. However, they don't seem to have really understood what gnome does and what X does, they complain about not being able to switch color depths and the like, something gnome has absolutely no control over.
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I just started using breakmygentoo ebuilds the other day and i like what i see so far. Gnome is awesome.
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| How I can install/emerge gnome 2.4?? What I have to do get it working?? I have just installed 1.4-RELEASE basic stage1 system and Xfree... I have used gnome 2.2.2 with my 1.4RC2 system, but now I want test that gnome 2.4... |
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Lovechild
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| juppe22 wrote: | | How I can install/emerge gnome 2.4?? What I have to do get it working?? I have just installed 1.4-RELEASE basic stage1 system and Xfree... I have used gnome 2.2.2 with my 1.4RC2 system, but now I want test that gnome 2.4... |
www.breakmygentoo.net... and learn to search the damn forums, this has been asked repeatedly, it's even mentioned slightly in this thread where to get the ebuilds.
and my standard clause, if you post bug reports directly to Gentoo on those builds we will hunt you down and make you rewrite the kernel in object oriented COBOL. |
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Is there no chance that the 2.4 beta 1 release of Gnome will be officially in portage?
Although, from the ftp dir, it appears to have been released as Gnome 2.3.6 rather than 2.4beta1.
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Nylle
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I guess it'll be in portage when the devs feel that it's ready for mass use. I do hope they use the work done by the bmg crew, as it would be a real waste to not use it.
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Lovechild
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| Nylle wrote: | | I guess it'll be in portage when the devs feel that it's ready for mass use. I do hope they use the work done by the bmg crew, as it would be a real waste to not use it. |
If I know Foser it will be written from scratch, since he likes to take full credit - he also says he found a few bugs in our ebuilds, but refused to enlighten me on these when I asked.
But I guess when the RCs start there will be official ebuilds, untill then you'll have to make way with the BMG ebuilds - plus they have nice features added so it's not completely vanilla GNOME. |
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| Lovechild wrote: | If I know Foser it will be written from scratch, since he likes to take full credit - he also says he found a few bugs in our ebuilds, but refused to enlighten me on these when I asked.
But I guess when the RCs start there will be official ebuilds, untill then you'll have to make way with the BMG ebuilds - plus they have nice features added so it's not completely vanilla GNOME. |
I'm not complaining, the bmg ebuilds have worked flawlessly for me (well as flawlessly as you can expect with dev software). Adding the new gnome to portage isn't really that important to me. Then again, more people would probably use it which would be good.
Yeah, I've noticed Fosers bad attitude towards the bmg builds in the past, and I find it sad. If he can't come with constructive criticims, he shouldn't whine.
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karl11
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he also says he found a few bugs in our ebuilds, but refused to enlighten me on these when I asked.
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So I take it you didn't sign his disclosure agreement which would bar you from telling us of the discrepancies had you indeed signed it? Sounds like the practice of one of my "favorite" companies. If foser is around, I respectfully invite him to help bust bugs on our ebuilds and to use what he would like as long as he does give credit where we might have changed things. If he says that the ebuilds we have are basically built on his, then he is correct. In the open source world, you don't reinvent the wheel. So we used what was there and working well. Foser is a great developer from a technical standpoint, but I would appreciate him cooperating with the community instead of working from the side. Keyword: cooperating....not flaming 
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ccrunner84
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where can I put in bug reports? Im using 2.3.5.r99 or something and when I try to change the time using the time applet it says there is nothing installed to do this..
Anyways, I think its come along way so far, definetly got me away from KDE |
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