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The reason is probably that there are lines like:
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->=app-accessibility/dasher-4.7
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in package.mask. Why there is "-" before each package version? Is it valid?
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same problems.
problem with paludis, in general, the way i see it
is that it spits out errors abruptly without giving any clues.
one minute it's ok and the next minute it's .....d
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| madcat87 wrote: | | No thats not the cause.I just resynced and the problem remains.It seems to be something with packege.mask |
Perhaps the mirror you're using is bad?
| tranquilcool wrote: | problem with paludis, in general, the way i see it
is that it spits out errors abruptly without giving any clues.
one minute it's ok and the next minute it's .....d |
I call BS. The errors you talked about it spitting out earlier spending a bunch of time saying how all of it was a problem of paludis was quite easily diagnosed as a problem with your installation. There were obvious clues to what you were complaining about... you just didn't know what they were.
I'm not meaning this in a way to say something like "haha you're stupid" just pointing out that you see something you haven't been exposed to and say "This thing gives me no clue what's wrong." |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| slycordinator wrote: | | I'm not meaning this in a way to say something like "haha you're stupid" just pointing out that you see something you haven't been exposed to and say "This thing gives me no clue what's wrong." |
So if you've never been exposed to something, and the glaringly obvious clues to someone that knows about don't mean anything to you, then OF COURSE it's not telling you. So slyc, knock it off with your bad attitude!
The people that you are continuing to chew on DO NOT DESERVE IT!
I think you owe some people an apology.
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My point still stands that saying that paludis (or any other piece of software) "errors abruptly without any clues" is a misguided statement. The only time this statement would be true is if a software designer had the error say "something failed" instead of giving a specific error message.
Though admittedly I made the point in a harsh manner. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| slycordinator wrote: | My point still stands that saying that paludis (or any other piece of software) "errors abruptly without any clues" is a misguided statement. The only time this statement would be true is if a software designer had the error say "something failed" instead of giving a specific error message.
Though admittedly I made the point in a harsh manner. |
You do have a point, however, if the error message isn't understood, all it ends up saying is "something failed".
And honestly, with the amount of output that paludis generates, hehehe.... it's hard to tell the "something" messages from the ones you need to pay attention to, and that leads to frusteration all around -- dev's and users alike.
(I know that you can cut some of them down, it's just not immediately obvious as to how when you first start out.  )
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| Knute wrote: | | You do have a point, however, if the error message isn't understood, all it ends up saying is "something failed". |
That's true but that's kinda like blaming China because I don't understand Mandarin yet.
[edit]But the other guy was saying that this was "the general problem with paludis" when this problem can't really be avoided entirely. No matter what the devs do, someone will sometime have the program crash and not understand the error. That's what I was trying to get at.[/edit]
| Quote: | | And honestly, with the amount of output that paludis generates, hehehe.... it's hard to tell the "something" messages from the ones you need to pay attention to, and that leads to frusteration all around -- dev's and users alike. |
Touche'. And it defaults to using pretty extensive warnings which could clutter up things more which can easily confuse someone.
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| slycordinator wrote: | | Knute wrote: | | You do have a point, however, if the error message isn't understood, all it ends up saying is "something failed". |
That's true but that's kinda like blaming China because I don't understand Mandarin yet.
[edit]But the other guy was saying that this was "the general problem with paludis" when this problem can't really be avoided entirely. No matter what the devs do, someone will sometime have the program crash and not understand the error. That's what I was trying to get at.[/edit]
| Quote: | | And honestly, with the amount of output that paludis generates, hehehe.... it's hard to tell the "something" messages from the ones you need to pay attention to, and that leads to frusteration all around -- dev's and users alike. |
Touche'. And it defaults to using pretty extensive warnings which could clutter up things more which can easily confuse someone.
Good point. |
sly maybe you're right but let me put it this way;
paludis is managed with files in /etc/paludis so if you don't touch 'em between syncs
the behaviour of paludis should be expected to be the same. ok so it's not a hardware problem
maybe pkg database problem. paludis should be able to give human readable hints to the
problems or even correct them not just assuming your setup is wrong, afterall you just did a simple sync. instead it simply whines moans and
stops. i understand paludis may be too geeky and that's ok with me but sure isn't mrs smart ass.
i'd rather think it's a moaning mrs geek.
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madhat,
Just to see if the problem is with paludis (as opposed to a broken mirror) you should
http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/profiles/
then click on "package.mask" then click on the link for viewing the latest revision of the file and save it in place of your current package.mask that's in your tree.
If the problem goes away you need to use a different mirror for syncing. |
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got it fixed for now.
removed paludis any anything related.
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madcat87,
I see... that seems like a really bizarre way to unmask something. I can see why paludis wouldn't recognize it as being valid. Though since the file written as-is is accepted by portage, the portage devs likely won't care that paludis doesn't work with it.
Personally, I think the unmasks should go into package.unmask (and obviously without the "-" at the front of each).
edit: Here's a bug on the issue. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=216193 |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: world problem |
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Hello, since my sync today paludis no longer can see the world file. The symptoms are
1. paludis -pi world or system reports 0 packages
2. paludis -r flags all packages that have the 'installed' suffix as 'Not used by any package in world'
I have changed nothing in a perfectly running system, except installing the following new packages: util-linux-2.13-r2, hdparm-8.6.0, gvim-7.1.266, shared-mime-info-0.23, libpng-1.2.26, lzma-utils-4.32.5, vim-core-7.1.266, timezone-data-2008a, m4-1.4.10-r1, sed-4.1.5-r1, findutils-4.3.13, texinfo-4.11-r1.
Paludis was recently upgraded to 0.26.0_alpha14
/var/db/pkg/world is unchanged with 210 entries.
In file /etc/paludis/repositories/gentoo.conf: location=/usr/portage
In file /etc/paludis/repositories/installed.conf: location=/var/db/pkg
The latter appears a bit strange, as there is a bunch of directories duplicated in /var/db/pkg that is usually in /usr/portage. Could this be the problem? How to proceed?
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: |
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do you have | Code: | world = /var/db/pkg/world
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in /etc/paludis/environment.conf? |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| KejPi wrote: | The reason is probably that there are lines like:
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->=app-accessibility/dasher-4.7
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in package.mask. Why there is "-" before each package version? Is it valid? |
portage accepts it so it is valid
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| pussi wrote: | do you have | Code: | world = /var/db/pkg/world
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in /etc/paludis/environment.conf? |
Now, after I have created this file, and after changing owner/group everywhere in /var/db/pkg to paludis, the symptoms changed too:
1. paludis -r just gives 'Finished processing 2 packages, 0 errors.'
2. paludis -pi world gives
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Dependency error:
* In program paludis -pi world:
* When performing install action from command line:
* When executing install task:
* When building dependency list:
* When adding NamedSetDepSpec 'system':
* When adding PackageDepSpec 'virtual/baselayout':
* When adding package 'virtual/baselayout-1.12.11.1::virtuals (virtual for sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.11.1:0::gentoo)':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec '=sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.11.1:0::gentoo':
* When adding package 'sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.11.1:0::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec '>=sys-apps/portage-2.0.51':
* When adding package 'sys-apps/portage-2.1.4.4:0::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec '>=dev-lang/python-2.4':
* When adding package 'dev-lang/python-2.4.4-r9:2.4::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec '>=dev-lang/tk-8.0':
* When adding package 'dev-lang/tk-8.4.18:0::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec 'x11-libs/libX11':
* When adding package 'x11-libs/libX11-1.1.3:0::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec '>=x11-libs/xtrans-1.0.1':
* When adding package 'x11-libs/xtrans-1.0.3:0::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec '=sys-devel/automake-1.10*':
* When adding package 'sys-devel/automake-1.10:1.10::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec 'dev-lang/perl':
* When adding package 'dev-lang/perl-5.8.8-r4:0::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec 'sys-libs/db':
* When adding package 'sys-libs/db-4.5.20_p2:4.5::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec '>=dev-lang/tcl-8.4':
* When adding package 'dev-lang/tcl-8.4.18:0::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec '=sys-devel/automake-1.10*':
* Circular dependency: Atom '=sys-devel/automake-1.10*' matched by merge list entry 'sys-devel/automake-1.10:1.10::gentoo', which does not yet have its dependencies installed (paludis::CircularDependencyError)
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Naib wrote: | | KejPi wrote: | The reason is probably that there are lines like:
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->=app-accessibility/dasher-4.7
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in package.mask. Why there is "-" before each package version? Is it valid? |
portage accepts it so it is valid |
What's the dash for anyway? How does portage use that information? Is it just garbage that portage ignores? or does it even have a meaning??
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| rwst wrote: | | pussi wrote: | do you have | Code: | world = /var/db/pkg/world
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in /etc/paludis/environment.conf? |
Now, after I have created this file, and after changing owner/group everywhere in /var/db/pkg to paludis, the symptoms changed too:
1. paludis -r just gives 'Finished processing 2 packages, 0 errors.'
2. paludis -pi world gives
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Dependency error:
* In program paludis -pi world:
* When performing install action from command line:
* When executing install task:
* When building dependency list:
* When adding NamedSetDepSpec 'system':
* When adding PackageDepSpec 'virtual/baselayout':
* When adding package 'virtual/baselayout-1.12.11.1::virtuals (virtual for sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.11.1:0::gentoo)':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec '=sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.11.1:0::gentoo':
* When adding package 'sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.11.1:0::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec '>=sys-apps/portage-2.0.51':
* When adding package 'sys-apps/portage-2.1.4.4:0::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec '>=dev-lang/python-2.4':
* When adding package 'dev-lang/python-2.4.4-r9:2.4::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec '>=dev-lang/tk-8.0':
* When adding package 'dev-lang/tk-8.4.18:0::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec 'x11-libs/libX11':
* When adding package 'x11-libs/libX11-1.1.3:0::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec '>=x11-libs/xtrans-1.0.1':
* When adding package 'x11-libs/xtrans-1.0.3:0::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec '=sys-devel/automake-1.10*':
* When adding package 'sys-devel/automake-1.10:1.10::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec 'dev-lang/perl':
* When adding package 'dev-lang/perl-5.8.8-r4:0::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec 'sys-libs/db':
* When adding package 'sys-libs/db-4.5.20_p2:4.5::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec '>=dev-lang/tcl-8.4':
* When adding package 'dev-lang/tcl-8.4.18:0::gentoo':
* When adding build dependencies as pre dependencies:
* When adding PackageDepSpec '=sys-devel/automake-1.10*':
* Circular dependency: Atom '=sys-devel/automake-1.10*' matched by merge list entry 'sys-devel/automake-1.10:1.10::gentoo', which does not yet have its dependencies installed (paludis::CircularDependencyError)
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Knute wrote: | | Naib wrote: | | KejPi wrote: | The reason is probably that there are lines like:
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->=app-accessibility/dasher-4.7
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in package.mask. Why there is "-" before each package version? Is it valid? |
portage accepts it so it is valid |
What's the dash for anyway? How does portage use that information? Is it just garbage that portage ignores? or does it even have a meaning?? |
"-spec syntax can be used to remove a mask in a parent profile, but not necessarily a global mask"
its defined just paludis isn't compliant... how ironic
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OK, thanks, I sorted it out through stracing paludis (was my problem) but the missing link was this:
| pussi wrote: | do you have | Code: | world = /var/db/pkg/world
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in /etc/paludis/environment.conf? |
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Hey guys
Stop arguing over the "-" syntax. The "-" syntax is valid. The reason paludis failed on it is that the gentoo package manager specs state that the "-" syntax inside a profile can only be used to override something masked in a parent profile (and /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask isn't part of a parent profile in this case).
So now all you gotta do is sync because they moved the mask to the base profile where it should've been all along.
This is all explained in the bug I posted |
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| Naib wrote: | "-spec syntax can be used to remove a mask in a parent profile, but not necessarily a global mask"
its defined just paludis isn't compliant... how ironic |
Did you read what you just quoted?
| slycordinator wrote: | | The reason paludis failed on it |
You mean "warned", right? |
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| I wasn't the one who posted the issue, but I assume you're correct. Either way, I was just pointing out that paludis was exhibiting correct behavior while portage didn't. |
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I've gone through the thread but can't see if it's been addressed so I'm trying.
I (and the sunrise overlay) use g-cpan for a number of perl packages and I can't seem to get paludis to find them by default. I can get it if I add perl-gcpan to /usr/portage/profiles/categories but that's overwritten by going a gentoo repo sync. I can't seem to find it in the web page but is there a file like g-cpan uses (/etc/portage/categories) that paludis uses to reference any category extensions?
It's getting to be a pain having to manually add perl-gcpan to the default file every time I need to do an update or install a perl package.
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