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sebaro
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 Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:28 am Post subject: Moving to KDE4 + Issues |
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Some KDE3 apps I use (gwenview & kmplayer) are masked for removal.
KDE3 apps works fine on my powerful machine and I masked all KDE4 apps.
But now I guess I'll have to install kdelibs4 too.
I would like to know the compile times for KDE4 compared to KDE3 (specially kdelibs, on my machine it takes ~12 hours), and the cpu/memory usage (specially konqueror).
Thanks.
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Mike Hunt
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| If KDE3 takes about 12 hours to build, then KDE4 should take about 10 hours. Yes it seems to build somewhat faster mainly because the build checks are not repeated over and over for each package. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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You should use the kde minimum install and then add what you really need.
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# emerge kdebase-meta kde-l10n kmix kdeplasma-addons
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sebaro
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I use fvwm as wm and only a few qt/kde (konqueror, gwenview, kmplayer, ktorrent, kopete, k3b, etc.) & gtk apps (firefox).
First I emerge kdelibs than the packages I need. The kdelibs-3.10 package takes ~12h to build.
As I said, all kde3 apps run fine, but if some of them will be removed (kde3 based) and I update them and they'll be unusable I can get back to the older versions.
So, if you can tell me how do kde-3.5 and kde-4.5 compare with each other for the packages above. I mean compile times, cpu/memory usage.
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sebaro
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:27 am Post subject: |
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In konqueror4 now...
gcc-4.3.2
qt3 -> 10H compile time
qt-core-4.5.3 -> 4.30H
qt-gui -> 8H
qt-webkit -> 14H
qtconfig3 vs qtconfig4 (qtcurve style): qtconfig4 starts faster but runs slower
kdelibs3 -> 10.30H
kdelibs-4.3.1 -> 15H
konqueror -> browser, some pages load faster; -> file manager, a bit slower, still playing with the settings
Issues so far:
konqueror
1. I use the bookmarks menu in konq toolbar, after I change the bookmarks icon from the toolbar it also changes the bookmark from menubar from text to icon.
2. I use the location bar in main toolbar, but on restart it doesn't show it, resetting crashes konqueror.
http://seblun.awardspace.us/kde4/ |
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i92guboj
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kde3 is being completely removed, not just *some* apps. It's old news.
Most of the stuff will live in an overlay until it completely dies, But the official support for kde3 has already ceased to exist, since the very moment the apps were masked. It has already been discussed a number of times here and in the mailing lists. There's no support upstream for kde3. Qt3 is also unsupported. There's nothing Gentoo can do about that. |
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sebaro
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| i92guboj wrote: | kde3 is being completely removed, not just *some* apps. It's old news.
Most of the stuff will live in an overlay until it completely dies, But the official support for kde3 has already ceased to exist, since the very moment the apps were masked. It has already been discussed a number of times here and in the mailing lists. There's no support upstream for kde3. Qt3 is also unsupported. There's nothing Gentoo can do about that. |
That's why I'm moving to kde4. |
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sebaro
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In kde3 toolbar buttons/icons had the dropdown menu arrow at right bottom, in kde4 they are at right, how can I change that? (see the link above, bookmarks button vs back button).
How can I disable that fade out effect in file manager when hover over files/directories.
I don't have the previous/next image buttons in gvpart toolbar and gwenview plugins (setting image gamma), do I need libkipi or kipi-plugins?
Other features I can disable for a speed up. |
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| sebaro wrote: | In kde3 toolbar buttons/icons had the dropdown menu arrow at right bottom, in kde4 they are at right, how can I change that? (see the link above, bookmarks button vs back button).
How can I disable that fade out effect in file manager when hover over files/directories.
I don't have the previous/next image buttons in gvpart toolbar and gwenview plugins (setting image gamma), do I need libkipi or kipi-plugins?
Other features I can disable for a speed up. |
You can disable all the effects if you go to System Settings -> Desktop Effects and uncheck Enable Desktop Effects |
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sebaro
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| dmpogo wrote: | | You can disable all the effects if you go to System Settings -> Desktop Effects and uncheck Enable Desktop Effects |
I don't have it. Probably because I don't have plasma installed. I don't use kde as wm/de, just fvwm + kde apps (emerged so far konqueror, konq-plugins, kwrite, dolphin, gwenview, systemsettings and their dependencies). |
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i92guboj
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| sebaro wrote: | | dmpogo wrote: | | You can disable all the effects if you go to System Settings -> Desktop Effects and uncheck Enable Desktop Effects |
I don't have it. Probably because I don't have plasma installed. I don't use kde as wm/de, just fvwm + kde apps (emerged so far konqueror, konq-plugins, kwrite, dolphin, gwenview, systemsettings and their dependencies). |
The effects you speak of are part of oxygen, I think. Just select a sane widget engine (qtcurve?). |
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Have you looked for alternatives?
Trying to run a cross-WM/DE (or whatever the correct term is) system is just opening yourself to massive hassle.
If you can find alternative stuff that just uses qt instead of kdelibs you'll be better off in the long run.
I must admit my own search is not going fantastically well; There basically isn't anything as cool as kompare in existence that I can find, and most of the non-KDE equivalents of kate are either part of a larger development environment or need gnome! 
I wonder how hard it would be to backport KDE stuff to be QT stuff... |
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sebaro
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:44 am Post subject: |
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I also use fvwm + qt/kde/gtk apps just fine. I don't need an whole DE, icons on desktop, panels (kicker), etc. Just a wm, a menu and a pager.
Now, back to my problems:
I'm using qtcurve. I tried other styles, all have that mouse over/out effect in konqueror and dolphin.
And those toolbar buttons http://seblun.awardspace.us/kde4/ top konqueror4, bottom dolphin & konqueror3. |
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sebaro
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:27 am Post subject: |
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About toolbar buttons, http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=124285183507802&w=2 konqueror4 uses the separate menu part buttons and there's no option for changing it.
Other issues:
When I switch tabs in konqueror the toolbars are redrawn.
And when browsing there's high hdd activity. |
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sebaro
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| sebaro wrote: | Other issues:
When I switch tabs in konqueror the toolbars are redrawn. |
Works fine until I use the context menu and "Save Image/Link As", the konqueror window blinks and then when I switch tabs all toolbars (main, location, search) are redrawn.
Edit: tried different styles, a fresh .kde4 directory, nv X driver (it blinks like a monitor seen on tv), just by right-clicking a link and "save link as", weird.
Edit: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=190728 |
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sebaro
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In kde4 kfileplugin (kdepackage-file-plugins) is replaced by strigi-analyzers. If you want files metadata to be shown in tooltips or dolphin info panel, strigi + nepomuk must be running.
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193592
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212915
If you emerged kde4 without semantic-desktop or don't want strigi/nepomuk running just for showing meta info, you can use this servicemenu:
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[Desktop Action GetExif]
Exec=exiftool %f > /tmp/exiftemp && kdialog --textbox /tmp/exiftemp 510 510
Icon=help-about
Name=Show Meta Data
[Desktop Entry]
Type=Service
Actions=GetExif;
Encoding=UTF-8
Icon=help-about
MimeType=all/allfiles;
X-KDE-ServiceTypes=KonqPopupMenu/Plugin
X-KDE-Priority=TopLevel
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Save it as ~/.kde4/share/kde4/services/metadata-servicemenu.desktop. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| Does anyone use terminal emulator in konqueror? Does the terminal emulator shortcut work when the menubar is hidden? |
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