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Lebkoungcity
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 Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:22 am Post subject: [solved] KDE3->KDE4: some umlauts aren't recognized anymo |
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Hi,
after fiddling a few days with some minor problems I switched with my main account to KDE4.3.1.
But now I have another issue I didn't think of before:
I have files with umlauts in their file-names.
Some are displayed normally and can be opened with any application. --> everything's fine 
Some files are displayed with a ? (on console) or with a black rombus with a white ? (in KDE4) in their filename and can't be accessed in anyway (it says the file doesn't exist or the file is corrupted) [umlauts in some plain text-files aren't displayed too]
What makes it mysterious to me is that in KDE3.5.10 this problem doesn't seem to exist...
/etc/locale.gen
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en_US ISO-8859-1
en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
de_DE ISO-8859-1
de_DE@euro ISO-8859-15
de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8
de_DE.UTF-8@euro UTF-8
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/etc/env.d/02locale
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LANG="de_DE.UTF-8@euro"
LC_COLLATE="C"
LC_CTYPE="de_DE.UTF-8@euro"
LC_MESSAGES="de_DE.UTF-8@euro"
LC_MONETARY="de_DE.UTF-8@euro"
LC_NUMERIC="de_DE.UTF-8@euro"
LC_TIME="de_DE.UTF-8@euro"
LC_PAPER="de_DE.UTF-8@euro"
KDM_LANG="de_DE.UTF-8@euro"
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Output of "locale" is:
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LANG=de_DE.UTF-8@euro
LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8@euro
LC_NUMERIC=de_DE.UTF-8@euro
LC_TIME=de_DE.UTF-8@euro
LC_COLLATE=C
LC_MONETARY=de_DE.UTF-8@euro
LC_MESSAGES=de_DE.UTF-8@euro
LC_PAPER=de_DE.UTF-8@euro
LC_NAME="de_DE.UTF-8@euro"
LC_ADDRESS="de_DE.UTF-8@euro"
LC_TELEPHONE="de_DE.UTF-8@euro"
LC_MEASUREMENT="de_DE.UTF-8@euro"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="de_DE.UTF-8@euro"
LC_ALL=
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Output of "locale -a" is:
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C
POSIX
de_DE
de_DE.iso88591
de_DE.iso885915@euro
de_DE.utf8
de_DE.utf8@euro
de_DE@euro
deutsch
en_US
en_US.iso88591
en_US.utf8
german
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in /etc/make.conf I set a long time ago:
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USE="... nls ... unicode ..."
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LINGUAS="de"
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The KDE internationalization packages are installed
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kde-base/kde-l10n-4.3.1
kde-base/kde-i18n-3.5.10
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Apheus
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I had the same problem, but I was able to rename the files using konsole (and TAB completion). But I have no idea what causes this, and why only some files are affected. |
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VoidMage
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Lets start with a simple question: what is the filesystem encoding
of those files ? |
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Lebkoungcity
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the hint!
1. Some text-file examples:
| Code: | utrac -p Playlist.txt
ISO-8859-1 |
| Code: | utrac -p Adressen\ Moskau-Karten
ISO-8859-1 |
and one with working umlauts:
| Code: | utrac -p Mopped/MC-KW/Homepage_Nuernberg/TERMINE\ und\ Bilder\ aktualisieren
UTF-8 |
==> so these text-files aren't displayed with umlauts because they're saved with ISO-8859-1 instead of ISO-8859-15 or UTF-8? OK, but how could that have happened? Back then when I wrote these files they were displayed with umlauts (I wrote them with SuSE 10.0 or 9.something).
2. What about binary files?
example:
| Code: | utrac -p Documents/Kulturgeschichte-Ann�herungsversuche.pdf
utrac: Binary data (error 310) |
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VoidMage
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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 That's not filesystem encoding.
If that pdf is one of those incorrectly displayed files,
paste what does 'ls -b' prints on it, if not, do the same
with a file that is. And paste the same result for a file that's
displayed correctly (one with a name outside ASCII range). |
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Lebkoungcity
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Oh...  sorry about this!
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ls -b Documents/Kulturgeschichte-Ann�herungsversuche.pdf
Documents/Kulturgeschichte-Ann\344herungsversuche.pdf
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ls -b Documents/umlaut-test_ä_ü_ö.odt
Documents/umlaut-test_ä_ü_ö.odt
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VoidMage
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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Well, there's your problem: \344 is 0xe4 - that file name is encoded
as latin1. That's a common pitfall of unix filesystems (at least such as ext2/3, not 100% about other)
- due to legacy reasons, filenames were created in system locale encoding,
which, till you've switched to utf8 locale, was most probably latin1.
You'll need a tool like convmv to fix such files in a convenient way. |
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Lebkoungcity
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Hey thanks a lot! That tiny tool is exactly what I needed - right now it is crawling in a test-run through my home-directory 
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