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taviso
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| AceTheFace wrote: | | What Session-Manager do you all run behind fvwm? Without xfdesktop I don't get transparency at all. Also I don't get the HiddenConsole transparent.. |
I dont use a session manager, but I think the three main ones to choose from are xsm, gnome-session and ksmserver. you probably already have xsm installed, but it uses the athena widget set and looks very ugly 
If you're not getting transparency, you probably aren't using an Esetroot compatible program to set your background, if you're using fvwm-root make sure you are using the --retain-pixmap option, eg i use:
| Code: | | fvwm-root --retain-pixmap --dither wallpaper.png |
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AceTheFace
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Hm, I'm using your config, and so fvwm-root was called correctly, but my fault was using a jpg-image as background. fvwm-root doesn't support that type. After converting it to png it works fine..
THX!
Greetz,
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EDIT: But the Hiddenconsole still isn'T transparent.... |
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What terminal are you using for the HiddenConsole? I'm using aterm, and the "-tr" option makes it transparent as for a normal console.
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AceTheFace
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Wedge_ wrote: | | What terminal are you using for the HiddenConsole? I'm using aterm, and the "-tr" option makes it transparent as for a normal console. |
I'm using exactly tavisos config. So it's xrvt. |
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Wedge_
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Well, if you look at tavisos current config, the "-tr" option isn't being used in the command that starts the hidden console...
| Code: | DestroyFunc StartHiddenConsole
AddToFunc StartHiddenConsole
+ I Exec exec rxvt +sb -geometry 144x8+0+0 -name HiddenConsole
+ I Wait HiddenConsole
+ I Autohide HiddenConsole 250 0 N |
Add "-tr" to the options on the third line and see if that helps.
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Chickpea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:38 pm Post subject: Help with zinf and title bar/no title bar problem |
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Maybe someone here can help. I tried the fvwm mail list but no one seem to be able to answer....
I have been experiementing with Zinf music player lately and if I set the Style for it to:
| Code: | Style*Zinf NoTitle, NoHandles, !Borders
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then the player looks fine. However if I open up the Preferences or Playlist, I run into trouble as these two other windows also dont have Title, borders or handles
I have placed DecorateTransient in my Style portion of the config and even tried to fix by putting a Style on the Class. But nothing seems to work. Is there another way of keeping the player itself from having titlebars and having the option windows to have titles? |
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taviso
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Help with zinf and title bar/no title bar problem |
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| Chickpea wrote: | | But nothing seems to work. Is there another way of keeping the player itself from having titlebars and having the option windows to have titles? |
Just emerged zinf and gave it a shot, the only way I can make it have a title and borders is with NoDecorHint, it seems to work how you want by default...
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: Help with zinf and title bar/no title bar problem |
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| taviso wrote: |
Just emerged zinf and gave it a shot, the only way I can make it have a title and borders is with NoDecorHint, it seems to work how you want by default... |
So it should be Style Zinf NoDecorHint? And are you getting titlebar with the the playlist and preferences? I tried it without any Style attributes and I get a titlebar everytime with the player which is what I dont want. There are so many skins available for it that I want to use but dont want that funny titlebar on the player. |
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sa
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 1:04 am Post subject: Re: Help with zinf and title bar/no title bar problem |
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| Chickpea wrote: |
I tried it without any Style attributes and I get a titlebar everytime with the player which is what I dont want. There are so many skins available for it that I want to use but dont want that funny titlebar on the player. |
try adding:
| Code: | | Style * MwmDecor, MwmFunctions, OLDecor, GNOMEUseHints |
to your fvwm2rc. this should make fvwm honor your applications notitle requests. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: Help with zinf and title bar/no title bar problem |
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| sa wrote: | try adding:
| Code: | | Style * MwmDecor, MwmFunctions, OLDecor, GNOMEUseHints |
to your fvwm2rc. this should make fvwm honor your applications notitle requests. |
Ohh I could give you a big hug (but my husband would be jealous)
Thank you! That worked! Thanks for your help
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| kaasja wrote: | Fvwm comes with an Init(Start)function.
My passage looks like this:
*snip*
HTH,
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How can I make them start on a particular page?
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I have an odd and very annoying problem. I usually use <Alt><Tab> to switch windows. This works fine, but whenever I focus a window by clicking on it, my window list is no longer in order. The previously focused window moves to the bottom of the list, rather than being pushed down one position in the stack. Is there some option I can set to change this?
By the way, I'm using the Click-to-focus method. Could this be part of the problem? |
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Wedge_
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@TheEternalVortex: there are "StartsOnPage" and "StartsOnDesk" styles which allow you to specify where an application is started. The manpage has the details.
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TheEternalVortex
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Is it possible to only make them start on that page for that instance, and to start on the page I open them on in all other cases? For instance I want a firebird window on page 2 when I startup, but I often open several more windows on other pages later on.
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taviso
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| TheEternalVortex wrote: | | Is it possible to only make them start on that page for that instance, and to start on the page I open them on in all other cases? For instance I want a firebird window on page 2 when I startup, but I often open several more windows on other pages later on. |
Make a function like this
| Code: | DestroyFunc StartFooOnPage
AddToFunc StartFooOnPage
+ I Exec Foo
+ I Wait Foo
+ I Next (Foo) MoveToPage x x |
Then in StartFunction instead of Exec Foo, use StartFooOnPage.
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tommy_fila
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Wow, after having read 12 solid pages of FVWM, I am willing to give it a shot. Right now I am emerging FVWM and will start by using taviso's config files. However, I already have some questions!
1) In Gnome/KDE (WMs I have used before) things like a screensaver, powermanagment, file manager, etc. is already included. Does FVWM include all these things, or is it just a very basic WM to which I have to add all the extra components?
2) What is "true transperancy"? I read that some people were thrilled about seeing "true transparency"; I can't share their joy unless I know what it is! 
I'm excited about getting to know FVWM better! 
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Nor Gnome, nor KDE include screensavers, they both use xscreensaver to do that...
You can start xscreensaver like this:
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AddToFunc StartFunction
+ I Test (Init) Exec exec xscreensaver -no-splash
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As for true transparency: it means you can't only see your background through the window, but also the underlying windows etc.
hth
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Thank you very much for that information! Now i'm off to the man pages. I started fvwm, hoping that I would be able to do something, but I realized that without a thorough understanding of the man pages I was lost. Anyways, I'll probably be back here pretty soon with lots of questions! I fvwm works out for me!
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simplicity is nice, i loving it xD
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rav
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I was detered from even trying fvwm by the ugly setup they use at uni, but after skiming over this thread, it may be worth a try. Just a couple of questions though, before I emerge. 
Firstly, what is with the "gnome-libs-1.4.2" and "ORBit-0.5.17"? I dont wan em. I allready have "-gnome" set, and it appears its to do with the gtk support. And as usual, the etcat output is very discriptive "Adds support for x11-libs/gtk+ (The GIMP Toolkit)" duh. So, anyone know what the gtk support is exactly needed for in fvwm? or at the very least, where I can find this out?
Secondly, how slow is the true transparency? As atm, only aterms virtual trans seems to actualy work to any desirable speed with this crappy old tnt2 im using. Rxvt and Eterm, were just too slow.
And lastly, has anyone managed to pull off something like fluxbox tabs yet? Although im sure they're only usefull at this low resolution >_< |
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| rav wrote: |
And lastly, has anyone managed to pull off something like fluxbox tabs yet? Although im sure they're only usefull at this low resolution >_< |
Well as far as the gnome thing, i believe it has more to do with having built in gnome support. I have built fvwm safely without it and use gtk2 in my USE flags and not gtk.
As for the tabs, I have not used it myself but there is a module included for tabs. FvwmTabs. I forget which USE flags specifically call for building it but I believe it is perl and tcltk. |
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| rav wrote: | Secondly, how slow is the true transparency? As atm, only aterms virtual trans seems to actualy work to any desirable speed with this crappy old tnt2 im using. Rxvt and Eterm, were just too slow.
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True transparency is pretty fast, I use it on my old Portégé notebook (P2 300, 128Mb RAM, 2Mb graphics card) and it's still, I wouldn't say bleeding fast, but at least fast, there's no lag in opening the menu's etc. So you TNT2 should have no problems with it
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Hello...
I'm so glad to see a bunch of new converts, thought I'd offer up a screenshot and some wisdom of my own from my long suffering .fvwm2rc file.
Screenshot Here
One of my favourite features is scrolling through pages with the mousewheel using the following two functions:
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AddToFunc PageNext
+ "I" PipeRead 'if [ $$[page.nx] -eq 0 ] ; then echo "GotoPage 1 $$[page.ny]" ; elif [ $$[page.ny] -eq 0 ] ; then echo "GotoPage 0 1" ; else echo "GotoPage 0 0"; fi'
AddToFunc PagePrev
+ "I" PipeRead 'if [ $$[page.nx] -eq 1 ] ; then echo "GotoPage 0 $$[page.ny]" ; elif [ $$[page.ny] -eq 1 ] ; then echo "GotoPage 1 0" ; else echo "GotoPage 1 1"; fi'
Mouse 4 R A PageNext
Mouse 5 R A PagePrev
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Another feature I like is dragging windows with the right mouse button anywhere on the window when holding down ctrl:
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Mouse 3 W C RaiseAndMove
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(But that one isn't very exciting really)
I guess there are probably other interesting things but it's all become so transparent to me now... aint fvwm great?
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Evolent wrote: | One of my favourite features is scrolling through pages with the mousewheel using the following two functions:
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AddToFunc PageNext
+ "I" PipeRead 'if [ $$[page.nx] -eq 0 ] ; then echo "GotoPage 1 $$[page.ny]" ; elif [ $$[page.ny] -eq 0 ] ; then echo "GotoPage 0 1" ; else echo "GotoPage 0 0"; fi'
AddToFunc PagePrev
+ "I" PipeRead 'if [ $$[page.nx] -eq 1 ] ; then echo "GotoPage 0 $$[page.ny]" ; elif [ $$[page.ny] -eq 1 ] ; then echo "GotoPage 1 0" ; else echo "GotoPage 1 1"; fi'
Mouse 4 R A PageNext
Mouse 5 R A PagePrev
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I do the same thing with desktops instead of pages: | Code: | Silent Mouse 4 R N GotoDesk 1 0 0 7
Silent Mouse 5 R N GotoDesk -1 0 0 7 |
Replace "7" with the number of desktops you have - 1.
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Hi everybody,
Tavis, I like your PackWindow* functions a lot.
Is it possible to modify them, so they:
a) Grows to the next window instead of moving there
b) Stops at the TaskBar.
I tried to do it myself, but I failed
Oh, and by the way: Thanks for your fvwm2rc, Tavis. It gave me great starting point!!!
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